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England / Asking a Registrar a question
« on: Thursday 12 October 17 15:57 BST (UK)  »
I am under the impression that, before ordering a certificate, one is allowed to ask a local Registrar a question to which the answer is either yes or no. I have in fact done this several times, contacting several different Registrars, and have always received a reply saying either yes or no.

The other day I sent a question to a different Registrar asking if the groom's father's name is on the certificate, and I have now received a reply saying that they cannot tell me the answer unless the certificate is ordered.

I do not want to shell out 9.25 if the certificate isn't going to tell me the name of the groom's father, which is the only piece of useful information on it that I don't already know. (He was born illegitimate in Scotland.)

Is this 'ask-a-question' a right, or a privilege at the discretion of the Registrar, and if it is a right can anyone point me to chapter and verse so that I can quote them out to this Registrar?

Other Countries / Searching on FindMyPast for events in India
« on: Friday 06 October 17 16:33 BST (UK)  »
Does anyone know how to search on FindMyPast for events in India without getting pages of results in Indiana please?

Lanarkshire / Missing births: William Strang Harvie Craig and John Lindsay Harvie Graig
« on: Wednesday 27 September 17 10:37 BST (UK)  »
William Strang Harvie, son of William Strang Harvie and Marion Harley, married Euphemia Anderson Lindsay, daughter of John Lindsay and Elizabeth Burt Anderson, in the Masonic Temple, Airdrie on 10 March 1908.

William was killed in action in Flanders on 27 November 1917.

On 20 August 1924 the widowed Effie married Joseph Wilkie Craig, son of William Craig and Marion Wilkie. Joseph was a widower and had three children from his first marriage, born 1910, 1911 and 1914, of whom two died in infancy and the third married in 1939.

Effie died in Coatbridge in 1982 and her death certificate was signed by her son H Craig, of 1 Laird Street, Coatbridge.

Joseph died in Coatbridge in 1956, and his death was registered by H Craig, son, 111 Dunbeth Road, Coatbridge. In his will he mentions his stepson William Strang Harvie Craig, and both William and his brother John Lindsay Harvie Craig continued in the printing business established by their stepfather's father.

William Strang Harvie Craig married in 1942 and died in 2001 in Airdrie, and his date of birth is given as 25 October 1911. His brother John Lindsay Harvey Craig married in 1946 and died in Coatbridge in 2001, and his birth date is given as 26 March 1916.

So it looks clear enough that William and John, named after their respective grandfathers, were born in 1911 and 1916, and adopted by their stepfather.

However, try as I will, I simply cannot find their birth certificates in Scotland, England or Wales, or William's in Ireland. I am not sure if the 1916 Irish births are yet available online, but if they are, John wasn't born in Ireland either. In the military records William's residence is listed as Longriggend and he enlisted in Hamilton.

I have seen all but one* of the certificates relating to this family, but I have failed to find William Harvie and Effie in the 1911 census. Am I going to have to wait until 2022 to see where the 1921 census says they were born, or can anyone else find them in the interim?

*The death certificate of their stepsister Mary Craig or Chassels, who died in 2005 in East Kilbride, which is not going to help find the boys' births.

Other Countries / Who was the mother of Isabella Wyllie?
« on: Sunday 27 August 17 22:07 BST (UK)  »
Thomas Wyllie, son of Alexander Wyllie and Mary Christie, was born on 18 March 1801 at Warburton, St Cyrus, Scotland and died on 11 September 1842 at St Vincent.

He had a daughter Isabella, born about 1832 in Tobago and died 30 October 1880 in Dalkeith, Midlothian, Scotland. Unfortunately her mother's name is omitted from the death certificate.

Does anyone know if there are any records that might contain the name of Thomas' wife, the mother of Isabella, and if so how I might get that information?

United States of America / Edwin J Wyllie 1916 -1944
« on: Saturday 26 August 17 15:34 BST (UK)  »
Edwin Jones Wyllie was born in Dundee on 10 March 1916, son of William Wyllie and Emma Jones. He had an elder brother Robert, born 27 May 1914, and a younger brother Albert Thoms, born 11 October 1919. The family emigrated to USA in 1927 and settled in New York. I think Albert may be the one who is listed in the SSDI with date of death 7 December 2000, although the DoB in the SSDI is 18 not 11 October. I have no DoDs for William, Emma or Robert.

However I have found on both Findagrave and Billiongraves a stone commemorating Edwin J Wyllie, DoD 24 September 1944 and buried in Long Island National Cemetery. He was a corporal in the army so I presume that he was killed in action or died as a result or the war. The US Veterans' Affairs Office is referred to on both web sites, but having looked at the VA web site, there doesn't seem to be a mechanism for asking them where Edwin was killed and whether or not he was married, as one can find on the UK's Commonwealth War Graves Commission web site.

Can anyone suggest how I might find out more about Edwin's death?

Angus (Forfarshire) / Which Jean/Jane Christison?
« on: Friday 25 August 17 12:38 BST (UK)  »
Jean Christison had an illegitimate child in Lochlee in 1842, of which one of my Wyllies was the father. I have the relevant details from the Lethnot and Navar Kirk Session, which says, "Jean Christison lately residing in this Parish now in the parish of Lochlee .... delated William Wyllie (unmarried) at Tillyarblet as the father of her child .... William Wyllie of Tillyarblet .... being interrogated whether he was the father of Jean Christison's child, confessed that he was." There is no baptism in the OPRs. I do not know the child's name, or even its gender.

The challenge is to find out which Jean Christison was the mother. There are several possibles in the 1841 census

1. Aged 20, servant in the household of Thomas Gordon at Lichtnie, Navar and Lethnot

2. Aged 14, servant in the household of John Kinnear at Blackness, Lochlee

3. Aged 15, servant in the household of James Esplin at Ferny Bank, Lochlee

4. Aged 15, in the household of Margaret Christison at Corhairncross, Lochlee.

There are others in the surrounding area, but it seems reasonable to concentrate on the ones in the parishes of Lochlee, Lethnot and Navar.

The following possibles were baptised in Lochlee, which seems to have been a veritable hotspot of Christisons (especially David Christisons).

1. Daughter of David Christison and Dianna Stewart, baptised 2 June 1816. She married George Smith on 4 July 1846 and died in Brechin on 12 October 1890.

2. Daughter of David Christison and Agnes Christison, baptised 3 April 1825. I don't know what became of her.

3. Daughter of David Christison and Margaret Kinnear, baptised 2 May 1825. This is the one at Corhairncross in the 1841 census with her mother and four siblings. She married Peter Davidson in Lochlee on 25 September 1852, and died at Invermark Cottage, Lochlee, on 1 April 1915.

3. Daughter of Hugh Christison and Isabella Christison, baptised 22 August 1826. This one died unmarried on 17 October 1895 at Townhead, Lochlee, and her death was registered by her daughter Helen, whose surname I cannot decipher with certainty. (Image attached)

I incline to No 1, because I think she is probably the one who was actually in Lethnot and Navar in 1841, and Lichtnie is near Tillyarblet, but I'd like a bit more certainty if possible.

Any ideas?

Durham / How many James Black Johnstons were there?
« on: Thursday 03 August 17 21:58 BST (UK)  »
1. James Black Johnston, son of John Johnston and Janet Black, was born in Newcastle-on-Tyne in 1843. He is with his mother and family in the 1851 and 1871 censuses. He is not mentioned in the will of his uncle William Black, dated 31 December 1888, though his siblings and all of his numerous cousins are mentioned by name.

2. James Black Johnston married Annie Raine in South Shields in 1880. They had a son William, born and died 1880, and a daughter Jessie, born 1882. I have failed, so far, to find them in any later census.

3. A notice in the Liverpool Echo announces the death of James Black Johnston, aged 25, at 92 Uxbridge Street. There is no death in the index of a 25-year-old James Johnston in Lancashire, but there is one in London City. Strictly speaking he is 2 years too young to be No 1, but mistakes have been known to occur.

Plainly there must be at least two James Black Johnstons, as No 2 married and had family after No 3 had died, but which of No 2 and No 3 is also No 1, or are there in fact three different ones? And what happened to No 2 and his wife and daughter?

United States of America / Where to look for a marriage in Washington DC?
« on: Thursday 03 August 17 16:11 BST (UK)  »
I am looking for the marriage of Allan Winfred Henderson to Barbara Louise Robertson. Allan was born in London on 24 May 1899, and served in the British Army. In 1943 he arrived at St Albans, Vermont, on his way to take up a post with the British Army Staff in Washington DC. There is another record of him arriving at the Port of New York on 28 December 1950, which gives his last residence as Washington DC, his address as 3925 Benton St NW, and his next of kin as his wife Barbara, at the same address. It also says he had previously been in the US from June 1943 until 26 December 1950, which is just 2 days before this immigration record. (I don't know what to make of this either!)

According to a stone in the Masonic Memorial Gardens, Reno, Nevada Allan died in 1990 and Barbara Louise was born 1908 and died 1997. Family lore says that Barbara's surname was Robertson.

I have not found any record of his marriage in England, Scotland or Wales, so I am wondering if perhaps Barbara was a US citizen and they were married in Washington DC. However I don't know which state to look in for a marriage in Washington DC.

The Nevada birth and death records on Family Search only go to 1992, and they don't include Washoe County, which is where I gather Reno is,  so I can't expect to find any information there about Barbara.

Australia / Peter Gordon Mitchell
« on: Saturday 29 July 17 10:12 BST (UK)  »
According to BillionGraves, Peter Gordon Mitchell (83) and his wife Margaret Millicent (71) both died in 1983 and are buried in Hindmarsh Cemetery, 31 Adam Street, Charles Sturt, Adelaide, South Australia.

I would like to know whether this is Peter Gordon Mitchell, born 6 December 1899 in Aberdeen, Scotland, son of George Mitchell and Jessie Ann McKimmie.

Any suggestions how I might go about that?

If this is the same Peter Gordon Mitchell, I would also be pleased to hear from anyone who has any more information about him and his family.

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