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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Will of Alexander Aylmer 1549
« on: Wednesday 12 September 18 16:51 BST (UK)  »
After starting a thread for the will of Thomas Grey, 2nd Marquis of Dorset 1530, and receiving so much kind help here, I have been trying to map out the different brances of the Aylmer family, as Thomas Grey, 2nd Marquis of Dorset, left a legacy to an Anne Aylmer. Aylmer was also the name of the famous tutor the Marquis' possibly even more famous granddaughter, Lady Jane Grey, the Nine Days' Queen.

In addition, a lady by the name of Frances Aylmer was in the household of Princess Mary Tudor together with the Marquis' daughter, Katherine Grey, Lady Maltravers. This Lady Katherine Grey was the aunt of Lady Jane Grey.

With the incredibly kind help and skills of the people here we have been able to get a closer look at the life of this gentlewoman here:

Will of Frances Aylmer 1540
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=799215.0

In her will Frances Aylmer leaves a bequest to a child also named Frances Aylmer. My theory is that that child was the daughter of this Alexander Aylmer.

I hope very much that this will confirm that :)

I thought I had reached the end of the road in terms of Aylmer wills when I thanks to Bookbox found a whole lot more :) :) :)

The will of Alexander Aylmer can be found here:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSN8-B34S-T?i=354&cat=278818

Thank you so much in advance.

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The Common Room / 'Leche' - Occupation in 1437-9
« on: Friday 07 September 18 23:09 BST (UK)  »
A John on a list of freemen of Norwich is described as a 'Leche' in about 1437-9.

John Aylemer        Leche        16,17,&18H.VI

16 Henry VI   1 Sept 1437
17 Henry VI   1 Sept 1438
18 Henry VI   1 Sept 1439
19 Henry VI   1 Sept 1440

Calendar of the Freemen of Norwich from 1317 to 1603 (Edward II to Elizabeth inclusive) by John L'Estrange (1888)
https://archive.org/stream/freemennorwich1317#page/n25/search/Aylemer

Does anybody have any idea what occupation this might have been?

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Will of Robert Aylmer 1493
« on: Tuesday 28 August 18 20:55 BST (UK)  »
After starting a thread for the will of Thomas Grey, 2nd Marquis of Dorset 1530, and receiving so much kind help here, I have been trying to map out the different brances of the Aylmer family, as Thomas Grey, 2nd Marquis of Dorset, left a legacy to an Anne Aylmer. Aylmer was also the name of the famous tutor the Marquis' possibly even more famous granddaughter, Lady Jane Grey, the Nine Days' Queen.

In addition, a lady by the name of Frances Aylmer was in the household of Princess Mary Tudor together with the Marquis' daughter, Katherine Grey, Lady Maltravers. This Lady Katherine Grey was the aunt of Lady Jane Grey.

With the incredibly kind help and skills of the people here we have been able to get a closer look at the life of this gentlewoman here:

Will of Frances Aylmer 1540
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=799215.0

And mapped out the family line of Sir Laurence Aylmer through the translation of his son Anthony's will of 1518 here:

Will of Anthony Aylmer 1518
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=799361.0

This will is a little longer than the two above, but it can still not rival the eight (!) pages of the Marquis' :)

It is of a length of about a page.

The will can be found on Ancestry.

The testator is, according to Ancestry, from Norwich in Norfolk.

Norwich
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwich

The physical proximity to our Aylmers, the relative rarity of the name, and the fact that we thanks to the kind translation of Anthony Aylmer's will now have enough clues about the elder generation to possibly be able to link the Aylmers of 1493 to the Aylmers of the 1520's, gives me hope that this will might contain clues that will help us to determine how some of these Aylmers were related to each other.

My hope is that this will give us enough information to piece together a possible family relationship between the Aylmers we already know of.

Thank you so much in advance.

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Will of Anthony Aylmer 1518
« on: Tuesday 28 August 18 10:20 BST (UK)  »
Continuing my attempts to map out the different lines of Aylmers in the 1500's :)

This is another super-short will, even shorter than the last one.

It is found on Ancestry :)

If anyone feels like having a go at it, I would be deeply grateful!

Thank you so much in advance  :)

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Will of Frances Aylmer 1540
« on: Saturday 25 August 18 20:21 BST (UK)  »
Hi!

In my last thread, a member of the Aylmer family was mentioned in the will of Thomas Grey, 2nd Marquis of Dorset.

In my search for this person, Anne Aylmer, I came across a Frances Aylmer, who served in the household of Princess Mary Tudor alongside Lady Katherine Grey, the daughter of the above.

The names of all the ladies and gentlemen who are to accompany the Princess into Wales; with the quantity of black velvet allowed to each. Lady Salisbury, lady Katharine Grey, Mrs. Katharine Mountecue, Mrs. Elizabeth Poole, Mrs. Custaunce Poole, Mrs. Anne Knevet, Mrs. Dannet, Mrs. Baker, Mrs. Cecill Dabridgecourt, Mrs. Frances Elmer, Mrs. Anne Rede, Mrs. Marie Wycter, Mrs. Petir, Mrs. Anne Dannet and Mrs. Anne Darell. Mrs. Parker and Mrs. Geynes are to have black damask.—Memoranda in the margin of the delivery of the velvet to each of the ladies by Mr. Ley, J. Scutte, Mr. Wheeler and Ric. Hoge. Signed by Wolsey.
Henry VIII: August 1525, 16-31 Pages 706-723

Since this is a very short will, I thought I would once again prevail upon your kindness and see if anyone could possibly translate it for me :)

(The will can be found on Ancestry.)

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The Common Room / Medieval Child Marriage in Tudor Times
« on: Wednesday 15 August 18 16:26 BST (UK)  »
Richard of Shrewsbury (one of the Princes in the Tower) married the 5-year-old Anne de Mowbray, 8th Countess of Norfolk, who had inherited the vast Mowbray estates, when he was about 4 years old.

(Much later) painting of the event here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne_de_Mowbray,_8th_Countess_of_Norfolk#/media/File:The_Marriage_Of_Richard_Of_Shrewsbury,_Duke_Of_York,_To_Lady_Anne_Mowbray.jpg

Another historical example I know of is Margaret Beaufort, Henry VII's mother. The marriage probably took place when she was about seven. Under canon law, Margaret was not bound by the marriage contract as she was entered into the marriage before reaching the age of twelve, and the marriage was later dissolved.

Does anybody know if there was a 'usual' age for this? Would the child have to be able to talk (these were arranged marriages of course), or would a signed contract do?

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Hi!

I am coming here because I have received such great help in the past  :)

The reason is that I need help in deciphering the will of Thomas Grey, 2nd Marquess of Dorset (1477-1530).

t is a bit difficult to find as it is transcribed thusly:

Name:   Thomas Margneys

Probate Date:   18 Nov 1531

PROB 11/24: Thower (1531-1533)

(My first searches turned up nothing. Then I found his father's will. His father had the same name and the same title, so I am being very specific here in case somebody wants to take a look.)

This Thomas Grey, the second Marquess, was the grandfather of the not unknown Lady Jane Grey, the nine days Queen.

The reason I want to translate it is that there is much confusion as to his children.

In the interest of full disclosure, this will has been translated before, but it appears to be in a rather obscure edition from the 1800s. Furthermore, I would like a translation that I know would be trustworthy. No offence to the original translator, but several documents relating to the Grey family produced in the 1800s have recently been revealed to be forgeries.

Thank you so much in advance anyone who wishes to try :)

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The Common Room / Aristocratic Child Going to Court late 1500s early 1600s
« on: Tuesday 11 April 17 10:00 BST (UK)  »
At which age could a male child from the landed genry get a position at court in the late 1500s or early 1600s? Would 10 years of age have been too young?

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Hi!

The people in this photograph belong to the Hood family of Beverley in Yorkshire, England. It is the only photograph that exists of them.

I would love to have a better version :)

Any help is greatly appreciated!

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