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Leicestershire / Thomas Hubbard and Irish Mary?
« on: Tuesday 09 April 24 22:18 BST (UK)  »
I've posted about this family before but I've recently realised I had some wrong records, especially concerning who I thought the parents were.

It turns out the mother Mary was Irish, although I'm not sure where from. Possibly Dublin? and possibly with the surname Landy? I cant seem to find a marriage for them?

The family is this -

Thomas Hubbard, born c1783. Marries Mary before 1812? In Ireland? On the 1841 census listed as born in Leicestershire. Buried 1848 Leicester, aged 65, of Wheat Street. Maybe is the Thomas Hubbard of Langton, Leicestershire, aged 17 who joins the 30th (Cambridgeshire) Regiment of Foot in 1805, apparently enlisting in Dublin, Ireland? and is discharged in 1818/1819?
The closest is a Thomas Hubbard baptised 1778 Langtons, son of John. Closer to death age but out by a few on the age given on that military record.

Mary, born c1782. On census 1841, 1851 and 1861 is listed as born in Ireland. Possibly Landy? (Long shot)

They have the following children -
William Hubbard, born c1812. On the 1841 census when him and his parents are living in Leicester, he is given as born in Ireland. I cant seem to find him after 1841. Nor can I find a baptism for him.

Elizabeth Hubbard, baptised 1815 Countesthorpe, Leicestershire. Marries William Lord 1838 Leicester. Baptised in Countesthorpe but Elizabeth states on census records that she was born in Dublin, Ireland and on the 1861 census born Countesthorpe. Some of her children for some reason have the mothers maiden surname as 'Nichols' and some as 'Hubbard' on the birth records and I'm not sure why. Buried 1893 Blaby. In 1891 on census with daughter Selina's family.

Catherine Hubbard, baptised 1816 Countesthorpe. Buried 1828 Sapcote, Leicestershire.

Eliza Ann Hubbard, baptised 1820 Countesthorpe. In 1841 living on Gas Street, Leicester. Marries Thomas Smith, 1843 Leicester.

Caroline/Carole Hubbard, baptised 1822 Countesthorpe. In 1841 living on Metcalf Street, Leicester. Marries David Door 1842 Leicester. Buried 1875 Leicester.

Ellen Hubbard, baptised 1825 Countesthorpe. Buried 1832 Countesthorpe.

Selina Hubbard, baptised 1828 Sapcote, Leicestershire. In 1841 living on Wharf Street, Leicester. In 1851? In 1861 living with mother Mary on Birkley Street, Leicester. In 1871 Living on Birkley Street, Leicester.
Caroline and Elizabeth both name daughters Selina as well.

In regards to the Irish connection and baptism on William. There is a catholic baptism in London 1812 for a William Hubbard, son of Thomas Hubbard and Mary Landy. Witness/Sponsor is a James Landy. I can see no marriage for these two but there is a baptism in Dublin 1780 for a Mary Landy, daughter of James Landy and Mary. Could this be my Mary? The Thomas Hubbard apparently joined in Dublin 1805? There is also another baptism in the same church for this pair in 1808 for a daughter Maria Anna. Mothers name is given as Mary Landley* There is no more baptisms in this church after 1812 for these Hubbards.

In 1851, Mary's birth place is given as Ireland and then another word, I cant quite make it out. One person has transcribed it as 'Meath' but I'm not sure if that is correct. I will attach it below.

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Clerke?
« on: Friday 05 April 24 11:18 BST (UK)  »
Hello,

Would I be correct in thinking this is 'Clerke'?

I've been trying to find the parents of Ann who married Fulke/Fulco Button, Gentleman, of Kimcote, Leicestershire c1580-1639. In Ann's will of 1642 (Can be seen on FindMyPast) she mentions 'Grandfather ?Clerke?' as giving some money in his will to her children, which I think is her father as she already mentions 'Grandfather Button' (Father of Fulke) in the will giving money to her children as well.
It doesn't help that there doesn't appear to be a marriage record between them, that I have found yet.

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Cambridgeshire / Elizabeth Boswell? Traveller?
« on: Friday 15 March 24 09:53 GMT (UK)  »
Hello,

I'm looking for a baptism of an Elizabeth Boswell.

On the 10th of November 1762, John Stacey/Stacy, Widower, marries Elizabeth Boswell, Spinster (She signs with an x) at Cambridge, Cambridgeshire.

They then move to Fen Stanton and Bluntisham, Huntingdonshire.
Elizabeth is buried 1794 Fen Stanton, Huntingdonshire.

The only baptism at Cambridge in a similar timeframe is -
William Boswell, son of William and Mary, bapt 1751 Cambridge.

I don't think Elizabeth is a daughter of these two as William Boswell, Bachelor, marries Mary Mott in 1749 at Cambridge.

There are a few baptisms in Cambridge during the 1720s but no Elizabeth.
She could be the daughter of -
John Boswell/Boswel and Zipporah/Zeph Fawtrey/Fawtry/Fortrey/Fortry who marry in Cambridge 1726.
They only appear to have one child baptised though, from what I can see, a Zipporah in 1727 who also dies in 1727. A Zephorah Boswell is buried 1747, who I assume is the wife of John.

There is then a William Boswell and Mary who baptise a daughter Sarah in 1723 Cambridge/Barnwell.

Then there is a Charles Boswell, baptised 1727 Whittlesford, Cambridge, to Elias Boswell and Mary. Perhaps this Elias is the Elijah who is buried 1735 Cambridge?

It had occurred that perhaps Elizabeth was a member of the Gypsy Boswells and that's why there a re no baptisms? I have another Boswell line on my fathers side in the same period in the midlands which seemingly have a brick wall with baptisms as well.
A John Boswell is buried 1787 Trumpington, Cambridge. With a birthdate given of 1691 and the note says 'A Gipsy Workhouse'. I wonder if this is the previously mentioned John?

I have also a family rumour on this line that one of the ancestors was ''French, and spoke French'' but after 12 years of searching I haven't found any trace at all of non-english descent. Now, I'm wondering if they were perhaps Romany and spoke Romany? The family rumour comes from my 3rd great grandfather who said that his grandfather said that his ancestor was French and spoke French. This grandfathers mother was Elizabeth Stacey, daughter of John Stacey and Elizabeth Boswell. I have come across other people who have had a similar family rumour, that they had a French or Italian ancestor but actually turned out to be Romany.

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Australia / Henry Kirby/Kerby transportation.
« on: Wednesday 17 January 24 19:13 GMT (UK)  »
I have an ancestor who was apparently transported to Australia for 15 years but I cant find him on convict records.

Henry Kirby/Kerby
Born 1803, Belgrave, Leicestershire, England.
In 1848 was sentenced to 15 years transportation for stealing potatoes. Henry was previously imprisoned in 1838 for two years for stealing sheep.
I cant seem to find him on convict records.
He isn't on the 1851 census with family and not on the 1861 census either.
It appears he made it back to England as he dies in Leicester in 1865.
Was he ever actually transported?

Any help appreciated.

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Other Countries / Charles Frederick/Fredrick, Swedish Mariner?
« on: Friday 05 January 24 16:49 GMT (UK)  »
Hello,
I'm currently researching my friends tree (on and off), I may have came across a Swedish ancestor but I'm not sure.

I have a Charles Frederick/Fredrick who apparently was married to (Or not, I cant seem to find a marriage) Mary Ann McRowe.

They have these children, baptised in Tynemouth and one in Hull -

Anabella Dorothy, bapt 1804 Hull. To Charles Frederick and Mary Ann.
Sarah, born 1805, bapt 1808 Tynemouth. To Charles Frederick, Mariner, Native of Stockholm, and Mary Ann McRowe, Native of Hull.
Mary Ann Frederick, bapt 1808 (Same as Sarah).
*Maria, bapt 1815 South Shields. To Charles Frederick and Mary Ann (I think this is the same couple)
Charles, bapt 1819 Tynemouth. To Charles Frederick, Mariner, and Mary Ann, living at North Shields.
Charlotte, bapt 1820 Tynemouth. Born 1811. (Baptised after father's death).
John, bapt 1820 Tynemouth. Born 1817. (Baptised the same as Charlotte).

Charles dies in 1820 and his birthdate is given as 1772. I'm assuming that as he is given as 'Native of Stockholm' on his daughters baptism, he was from there.
I cant seem to find a marriage record either, at the moment. 


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Leicestershire / Manship/Manchief?
« on: Monday 05 June 23 18:23 BST (UK)  »
I have abit of a brickwall here.

I have a Richard Manship (Some records write surname as Manchief) who is married to a Lucy. I cant find anything more of these two prior to these children's baptisms.

I have the children as -
All baptised at Leicester, St Mary de Castro.

John Manship, bapt 1737. Married Winfred Johnson (As John Manchief), 1761 Leicester, Buried ?
William Manship, bapt 1740. Married Ann Hickton, 1771 Nottingham. Buried 1777 Nottingham.
Richard Manship, bapt 1742. Buried 1757 'Richard, son of Richard Manchief'
Robert Manchief, bapt 1745. Buried 1766, Leicester St Mary de Castro, 'Robert Manchief'.
Henry Manship, bapt 1747. Married Mary Hanstone, 1776 Leicester. Buried 1782 Leicester.
Samuel Manship, bapt 1751. Married Elizabeth Sibson, 1776 Leicester. Buried 1822 Leicester.
There also appears to be two daughters Elizabeth and Lucy, I cant find a baptism at the moment just a burial 'Elizabeth Manchief, daughter of Richard, buried 1757' and 'Lucy, daughter of Richard Manchief, buried 1763'.

Lucy, Wife of Richard Manchief, buried 1755 Leicester.
I think Richard is the Richard Manchieff (Transcribed as Manchiett) who is buried 1775 Leicester, St Mary de Castro.

There also appears to be a William Manship in Leicester who baptises a son William 28 Dec 1734.
There is also a burial for a William Manship and also perhaps an Ann but I cant make out if it says Manship or wife etc, 15 Jan 1734.

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Nottinghamshire / Catherine Akin/Adkin?
« on: Friday 26 May 23 09:49 BST (UK)  »
Looking for Catherine Akin/Adkin, I cant seem to find a baptism for her.

She marries Lancelot Hickton, 21 Jul 1744, Sneinton, Nottinghamshire. 'Launcelot Hickton, of St Peters, Nottingham, Framework Knitter, aged 42, and Catherine Akin, of Sneinton, Spinster, aged 20'

License states Catherine is born c1724. The register of Sneinton lists her as 'Akin' but the Nottinghamshire Marriage index transcription records her as 'Adkin'. The abstracts of Nottinghamshire marriage licenses list her as 'Akin' as well.

The only similar baptism I can find in or near Sneinton is for an Elizabeth Adkin bapt 1724 Sneinton, daughter of Robert and Ann.
Although I think this family may be using Adkinson/Adkin/Atkinson and other variants.
This family is also listed in transcription as 'Adkisson'.
Baptisms in Sneinton for 'Adkisson'
John Adkisson, bapt 1713 Sneinton, son of Robert and Ann.
Robert Adkisson, bapt 1715 Sneinton, son of Robert and Ann.
Ann Adkisson, bapt 1718 Sneinton, daughter of Robert and Ann.
Elizabeth Adkisson, bapt 1722 Sneinton, daughter of Robert and Ann. There is a burial in 1724 and 1725 for an Elizabeth with surname both recorded as Adkin and Adkisson. This would fit the two Elizabeth baptisms.
No Catherine though.

Ann, wife of Robert Adkisson, buried 1727 Sneinton.
I think this Robert then goes onto marry a Christian, but now name is listed as 'Adkinson'.

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Leicestershire / Name Switching?
« on: Thursday 04 May 23 10:20 BST (UK)  »
I have posted about this family before but I'm still confused about a change of name, which I cant seem to see why it has happened. There also seems to be a switching round of names on baptism records/marriage? or just a clerk error?

I have Jessica Barsby who marries Henry Manship 1839 Leicester St Margarets. Jessica states her father is 'John Barsby, Bracemaker'. Jessica states she is of Kent Street. Of full age, census gives her as born 1819 Leicester. Everything seems in order here, but there is no baptism for her. Her children's GRO records give her maiden name as Barsby.

It appears that Jessica has 3 other siblings and they are all actually baptised as Sharp and not Barsby.

Thomas Whittingham Sharp, baptised 1815, son of John Sharp and Mary, of Belgrave Gate, Leicester. John is a Framework Knitter.
Jane Sharp, baptised 1817, daughter of John Sharp and Mary, of Belgrave Gate, Leicester. John is a Framework Knitter.
Jessica Sharp, baptised 1819, daughter of John Sharp and Mary, of Belgrave Gate, Leicester. John is a Framework Knitter.
Another brother Rowland born c1824, No baptism has been found for him.
The only marriage I can find fitting all of this and connecting with the name changes is -
16 Aug 1815, Leicester St Margarets, John Barsby, Bachelor, of this parish and Mary Sharp, Spinster, of this parish. (Just to note, there appears to be no following baptisms under the name Barsby with parents as John and Mary)
Why have they seemingly baptised under Sharp if they were married as Barsby (Being the husbands name and why have the children reverted back?

In 1841, Rowland and Jane are still listed as 'Sharp' and are living with a 'John Whittingham Sharp' who is a bracemaker. I originally thought this was the father of these children but I now think he is the Uncle. Brother of their mother Mary Sharp. This John Whittingham Sharp was born 1789 Melton Mowbray, Leicestershire. He married Elizabeth Kellett in 1827 Leicester, but he is listed as a bachelor and not a widower (Which lead me to think he was not their father).

The first child Thomas Whittingham Sharp, b1815, next appears to marry in 1833 Leicester, to Hannah Hurst, but this time he is listed as 'Thomas Sharpe Barsby'.
Jane, b1817, next appears on the 1841 census living with John Whittingham Sharp, Rowland, and Johns other children and wife. I cant find her in 1851. In 1861 Jane is an unmarried cotton winder living in blackfriars, but this time she is given as 'Jane Sharp Barsby'. She dies 1853 Leicester St Margarets.

Jessica, b1819, marries Henry Manship as Jessica Barsby.

Rowland, b c1824, listed in 1841 as 'Rowland Sharp'. Marries in 1844 to Priscilla Eastwood. Listed as Rowland Sharp but lists his father as 'Dead', no name or occupation of father. (John Whittingham Sharp is still alive at this moment, So I don't think he is the father). Listed in the Leicester Chronicle in 1846 as 'Rowland Sharp Barsby'. Rowland then moves to Leeds, Yorkshire, where he is listed in census as 'Rowland Barsby'. On Rowlands 2nd marriage in 1873, he now gives his father as 'John Barsby'.

So we have all children baptised as Sharp but then changing to Barsby when they are older but retaining Sharp as a middle name.
I beleive their parents John and Mary die when the children are young and they then live with their uncle John W Sharp.
I think I have the parents burials but once again Im not sure if the switching of surnames as happened.
A Mary Barsby, dies 1825 St Margarets, wife of John Barsby. Aged 42, b c1783. There is also another burial for a Mary Barsby in 1826.
A John Barsby, dies in 1827 St Martins Leicester. aged 41, b c1786.

Going by the marriage of John Barsby to Mary Sharp and that the first child Thomas has the middle name of Whittingham. I think Mary is bapt 1791 Melton Mowbray. Daughter of Joseph Sharp and Elizabeth Whittingham. With John W Sharp bapt 1789. Parents die and then children live with uncle?
I'm just confused as to why they were possibly baptised under Sharp? A continuous clerk error? or they purposely said their name was Sharp even though married as Barsby? The children all revert to Barsby when they are adults and the ones who do list their father list him as 'John Barsby' not John Sharp.

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Surname of wife?
« on: Monday 21 November 22 19:23 GMT (UK)  »
Im not certain of the surname of the Mary who marries Jonathan Alderton in London 1730. I thought it looked like 'Lile' but the transcription on Ancestry gives it as 'Liser'? Could be 'Lise'?

'Clandestine Marriage - Jonathan Alderton, of St James Westminster, Coachman, and Mary 'Lile/Lise', Ditto'

Any help appreciated to find who this Mary is.

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