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Midlothian / James Hunter's Tomb in Restalrig - Mrs Juliet Robertson (née Parish)
« on: Saturday 30 March 24 16:25 GMT (UK)  »
Restalrig Churchyard burial register has this:
14 Mar 1827 : "Robertson : Interred in the centre of James Hunter's Esq Tomb Mrs Juliet Parish Robertson, wife of William Robertson, Esq., aged 63 years, Mortcloth £1-1-, Safe £1-15-0"
James Hunter was a prominent banker in Ayr (married to Sarah Ballantine who is buried there too).

What can I infer from the wording "Interred in the centre of..."? The Robertsons and Hunters don't appear to be related. But William Robertson had been assistant-secretary at the Bank of Scotland in Edinburgh until 1806 (before he moved to Glasgow), so banking is a common factor.

It looks as though as a couple of years later her husband was buried there too.
22 May 1829 : "Robertson : Interred in J Hunter's tomb William Robertson Edinburgh, aged 61 years, Mort Cloth £1-1-, Safe rent 6 wks £1-4-0"

I'm trying to identify William Robertson's parentage. His wife was Juliet Parish dau of a very prominent merchant in Hamburg. In 1806 she lived at Summerhall thus: Mrs Juliet Robertson, Summerhall; no record of hubby.

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Banffshire / Bessie CHISSOLM in Riddentrath/Reidstack, Fordyce
« on: Friday 10 November 23 07:46 GMT (UK)  »
My 6xgtgdmother, Bessie CHISSOLM marr John MORISON abt 1721 and had six children all in Riddentrath/Reidstack (same place) in Fordyce parish. She had at least three siblings, one being brother Donald CHISM (or CHISHOLM) who married Elspet RICHARDSON in 1714 (the others being John and Janet).

1)  CHISSOLM (and its variations) occasionally allides with CHIZZET (and its variations) in the same family but they seem to be distinct surnames in their own right. Is there any evidence that CHIZZET genuinely evolved into CHISSOLM, or vice versa, rather than the OPR clerk misunderstanding a relatively rare local surname in favour of a relatively common local surname?

2) Donald is a relatively uncommon forename in Fordyce. The only Donald CHISM I can find is Donald to Jon CHISOLME 21-7-1681 in Inverness. He had a brother John 29-9-1684, with maybe a Janet 12-8-1694. But no Bessie sister. Anyone got any hint of the Fordyce CHISHOLMs (or CHISSETs) having any association with any Inverness-shire CHISHOLMs?

There are various claims about this Inverness Jon CHISOLME being the XXth Chisholm of Comar and Erchless and/or a leader of men at Sheriffmuir and/or gdfather of a private in "Gen Francis Merion's Swamp Fox Brigade" in the US Revolutionary War. I doubt any but who knows? I've posted on the Inverness board to see if anyone there knows Inverness' Donald CHISHOLME in his own right.

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Inverness / Donald born 1681 son of Jon CHISOLME - Inverness
« on: Thursday 09 November 23 11:38 GMT (UK)  »
Looking for information about Donald CHISOLME who was baptised 21 Jul 1681 in Inverness, son of Jon CHISOLME, in particular whether he might be (or might not be) the Donald CHISM or CHISHOLM who was in Fordyce, Banffshire, where he married Elspet RICHARDSON on 26 May 1713 and had just two known children in Boyndie parish Banffshire.

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"Bur 25-7-1850 : Elizabeth Ogilvie age 29 : Friend of Peter Baxter : 9 Hill St [Garnethill]"
"Bur 15-12-1850 : James Preston age 7m: Cousin of Peter Baxter : 7 Wallace St [Gorbals]"
I believe the addresses are those of the deceased not of the 'Proprietor' of the Lair.
It is likely Peter Baxter was living at 39 Warwick St Gorbals at the time (he was there with wife and family in 1951).
Am I right that the named Proprietor would have paid the fees?

After extensive searches, Elizabeth Ogilvie can only be the wife of James Sibbald Preston (who was very much alive); and James Preston can only be the son of James Sibbald Preston (but there is a smidgeon of doubt whether Elizabeth Ogilvie was the mother - there is no record of his birth).

And after more extensive searches, nothing can be found to connect James Sibbald Preston (who was an engine fitter born Haddington, East Lothian - Elizabeth Ogilvie was born there too) and Peter Baxter (who was a joiner born Kilfinan, Argyl). And no reason why there should be other than living reasonably nearby each other.

It's the 'Cousin' that's bothersome. 'Friend' turns up frequently enough in the Interment Registers, as do other relationships like 'Uncle' or 'Father'. Is it safe to take the term 'Cousin' literally or could it be a euphemism? A euphemism for what?!
 
I'm trying to understand what the Internment Register is telling me vis-a-vis Peter Baxter.

This is part of ongoing research to explain why James Sibbald Preston turns up in 1851 at 9 Drury St, Blythswood married to a Helen from Stirlingshire (with no record of that marriage) and has a child in Sep 1853 where he names the mother as Elizabeth Ogilvie. And yet more complexity in that possibly the same Helen seemingly turns up in 1855 at 39 Warwick St as a MacFarlane tenant/occupier, and in 1856 at 9 Warwick St as Helen MacFarlane (who records herself as unmarried in three later censuses).

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This is complicated so bear with!

I know my 2xgtgdfather with certainty. It's my 2xgtgdmother that's the issue. The records (rightly or wrongly) show he had three wives. My gtgdmother could be the daughter of wife two or three (despite her 1853 birth record recording her as dau of wife one [and despite her having died three years earlier] and later records recording her as dau of wife three).

This is a summary of five comparisons using the GEDmatch one-to-one tool:
1 - Me & a possible descendant of wife 2 have a max Cm length of 4.6 (total of all 32.7)
2 - Me & a definite relative of wife 3 have a max of Cm length 5.8 (total of all 10.3)
3 - Me & my known fourth-cousin have a max Cm length of 43.4 (total of all 111.4)
4 - a possible descendant of wife 2 & my known fourth-cousin have a max Cm length of 9.1 (total of all 44.3). There is absolutely no possible way they are related.
5 - the descendant of wife 2 & the relative of wife 3 have a max Cm length of 5.5 (total of all 5.5)
There is absolutely no possible way they are related.

where
- 'a possible descendant of wife 2' would be my "Half 3c1R". We do not have my 2xgtgdfather as ancestor in common - fact.
- 'a definite relative of wife 3' is proved with certainty by conventional means. We do not have my 2xgtgdfather as ancestor in common - fact.
- 'my known fourth-cousin' is proved with certainty by conventional means. We have both 3xgtgdparents in common - fact.

Me & the definite relative of wife 3 had previously come to the conclusion that DNA shows we are not related. Are we right?

And do these various comparisons mean that Me & the possible descendant of wife 2 cannot be related. Am I right? Said possible descendant of wife 2 thinks there could be a chance otherwise.

If so, that leaves me with the possibility either that I am a descendant of wife 2 and the other person isn't - or that I am a descendant of an unknown wife/partner 2.5 and the other person is or isn't a descendant of wife 2 - or I am even a descendant of a foundling taken in by my 2xgtgdfather and wife 3. Said it was complicated!
 

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Orkney / Rev Alexander Geddes, min of Birsay & Harray 1736-1751
« on: Wednesday 17 August 22 16:28 BST (UK)  »
According to Orkney's Fasti, he was born abt1709 in Keith, Banffshire and died 23 Apr 1751.
According to a website http://genealogy.northern-skies.net/genealogy.php?number=16 he died age 44, implying he was born abt1707. Can this age be confirmed? Source?

I think I've found him preaching as a Probationer in Deskford parish, Banffshire at least four times 1734-1735 (Deskford Kirk Session Minutes). Slightly earlier (the same?) Alexander Geddes was appointed Schoolmaster (during 1728) plus Session Clerk and Precentor (end 1728). He neglected his duties, making such a hash of the Session Minutes that his successor described those 1731-1734 as 'lost except a few confused scrapes' [sic].

The same Alexander Geddes married Janet Cuie in 1729 and had three children 1730, 1732, 1733, after which there is nothing more on him and the children - presumably because he/they had gone to Birsay. So how come he quickly married Elizabeth Fea on 1 Dec 1736? The issue is complicated by the possibility Janet Cuie herself remarried locally in 1739.

He was known as Alexander Geddes Elder. My 5xgtgdfather lived at the same place (Nether Clune, Deskford) at the same time and was known as Alexander Geddes Junior. I'm now trying to make sense of things. My first step is to work out Rev Alexander Geddes' parentage, so confirming his age when he died is crucial.

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Armed Forces / Alexander Robertson - 89th Worcestershire Volunteers
« on: Saturday 21 May 22 09:47 BST (UK)  »
Alexander Robertson became Ensign by purchase in 1779 age 15 or 16 when the above was formed. I know he joined the Gordon Fencibles as a Lieutenant before becoming a Captain with the Enzie Company. He rejoined the army as a Lieut (42nd Foot) in 1809 then did a stint in 6th and 3rd Veteran Battalions before finally retiring in 1820 on full pay. Meanwhile, in 1797 he married a Margaret Ritchmont or Richmond from Paisley, and had family there or nearby until 1814 (info is sparse).

Bearing in mind his connection with the Banffshire Volunteers, and thus his possible origins there, how likely would it be for him to join the 89th rather than a regiment closer to home?

I ask because my 3xgtgdmother Elspet Robertson was the 1785 result of a liaison between a Lieut Alexander Robertson and Jannet Moir in Portsoy, which happened in a Robertson house there, and this chap appears to fit the bill.

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Armed Forces / John Smith, Banffshire Volunteers
« on: Monday 02 May 22 12:21 BST (UK)  »
Looking to identify John Smith soldier in Portsoy, Banffshire in 1778 and his wife Elizabeth Robertson (I believe she was born abt1746, father John Robertson). John Smith had been a merchant in 1776, so he was 30-odd when he entered service.
I've found several references a John Smith rising through the ranks: to Ensign then 2nd Lieut John Smith (around 1795 Artillery Co & Banff Trades Company); 1st Lieut John Smith, Gent (1797, 1803 Banff Volunteers); Capt John Smith, Gent (1805  Banff Volunteers); Capt John Smith (1814 5th Regiment based in Aberdeen).
I'd like to think Capt John Smith, Gent is the soldier from Portsoy.
Can anyone identity Capt John Smith, Gent (parentage, death, etc). Because I can't.

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England / 'v angeles' in a Will, and marrying early in 16th century
« on: Saturday 06 February 21 16:57 GMT (UK)  »
In a Will of 1563, what does this mean: "Wyfe Anne v angeles which are in the handes of Robt. ....[something lost in the page's gutter]... that I lent to hym" - from the archive.org scanned image of a transcription in the Thorseby Society book Methley Parish Registers, pub 1902. His second wife (then alive) was Agnes; his first wife of course was not, but although refered to she is never named - unless v angeles is another phrase for deceased ('with the angels'?). The transcription is not without error, since the Will lists his five daughters as "Alice, Anne, Joan, Joan, & Joan"!

One daughter, Jennet Gygge, is my 10xgtgdmother, marrying age 14.  Am I right that the age of consent then was 12 for a girl, 14 for a boy? Jennet's mother had an illegitimate child years after she became a widow but he was still regarded as not of 'lawfull years of age' in his mother's own Will of 1587 when he was age 18. So, I'm confused!

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