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Lincolnshire / BACON - ELLIOTT - ANDREWS (Osbournby / Leasingham / New Sleaford)
« on: Monday 27 November 17 08:39 GMT (UK)  »
Firstly, I am pleased to announce that recent DNA results have confirmed one of my illegitimate lines to be that of BACON in Osbournby. My 3xGGF went by the name of John SMITH from abt 1849, but was really John BACON. Consequently, I am interested to hear from anyone with these similar interests in this LIN area 1750-1850:

My 3xGGPs John BACON of Osbournby & Scott Willoughby (1820-93)
My 4xGGPs Martin BACON (1796-89) / Mary ELLIOTT of Osbournby & Gosberton. Mary is the d/o John ELLIOTT & Elizabeth ANDREWS (1770-1827) of Leasingham.
My 5xGGPs John BACON (c1765-1846) of unknown and Margaret ROSE of the Isle of Ely, CAM.

I have specific questions, due to lack of further records in the area, if anyone has clues to the origins of both John BACON of Osbournby (c1762) & John ELLIOTT of Leasingham (c1765-bef 1827).

If anyone has access to the original marriage record of John & Elizabeth, above, on 28 Jun 1789 at Sleaford St Denys to clarify the place identification for following transcription:
John was given of Bran* (no local name found to fit)
Elizabeth of Holdington, New Sleaford (not found on maps).


Cork / O'SULLIVAN Bouge
« on: Thursday 02 November 17 16:53 GMT (UK)  »
Many SULLIVAN families had suffixes to distinguish themselves from one part of the clan or another. Does anyone know about "SULLIVAN Bouge"? In the Clonakilty area, one family is known to have lived at Knockskeagh (just north of the town) and in church records can be found both as O'SULLIVAN or BOUGE/BOUGUE. It may have fallen into disuse. Period of records: Late C18th-1840's.
The suggestion is anglicized from the Gaelic being a descendant from someone named Bouddica, which of course, is a well known Celtic tribal name unrelated to Cork, and female.

Marriage entry for Thomas POPPLEWELL & Jane HAYNES is legible except for his occupation. Insights appreciated. Starts with a G.

Kent / Boughton Monchelsea Baptisms c1785 - Look Up Request
« on: Monday 05 June 17 10:27 BST (UK)  »
I have been provided with a tip that an ancestor I am seeking may be baptised in Boughton Monchelsea. His name is Samuel VENESS (later) but is likely to be born as Samuel VENICE (or phonetic variant). Based on his given age on his DC he would have been born c1785. The information provided to me is that a Thomas Venice married Mary Arlott on 2 Dec 1764 and that a Samuel Venice married a Mary Owlett on 23 Sept 1764 in BM, but unfortunately I no further information on possible children or extended family.

If anyone could kindly look up to see if there is any candidates, it would be appreciated. This information comes after extensive investigations suggest, that while the VENESS family are predominantly in nearby SSX, his baptism did not take place in that county.

Further information sought, which may be supported by records:
1. If any VENICE is the village was a dyer or silk dyer; may be recorded on church records. Samuel had this trade in Worcester, where he settled (not of the county in 1841 and sadly died prior to 1851), so it is possible it was his father's trade.
2. Any James VENICE? Samuel named his first son James, then his second after himself, possibly indicating James was his father or a close relative.


Cork / The SHORTEN Family of Moneygaff West, County Cork
« on: Monday 13 March 17 11:16 GMT (UK)  »
Hannah Maria SHORTEN, my wife’s 2xGGM, is part of the original family of C17th English Protestant settlers who arrived from Devon/Somerset along with the GOODs and many other families. There are numerous examples of GOOD = SHORTEN marriages in the C19th. At the time of Griffiths Valuation the SHORTEN / SHORTIN families where highly concentrated in West Cork. The SHORTENs can be found in records referring to Moneygaff West (Moneygoff), Ballineen and Kinneigh.

The head of my wife’s SHORTEN family is James Paul SHORTEN (c1799-1887), my wife’s 3xGGF. He was a farmer at Moneygaff West. In 1833 he married my wife’s 3xGGM Mary HARROLD (1816-1904). Their children were baptised at the original church at Ballymoney (Ballineen):

·      Tamar SHORTEN (1831) – noting that Tamar is a widely-used family name = Nicholas WHITE in 1859;
·      Eliza SHORTEN (1833-1865) = John BUTTIMER in 1861;
·      Paul SHORTEN (1834-1893) = Mary Ann BATEMAN in 1875. Paul’s early death was covered by a newspaper article. His widow was left with 7 young children;
·      Hannah Maria SHORTEN (1841-1925), my wife’s 2xGGM = John GOOD;
·      Anne SHORTEN (1843);
·      Margaret SHORTEN (1843-1920) = another John GOOD of Phale;
·      Catherine SHORTEN (1853) = James KINGSTON in 1882 Rosscarbery;

Hoping to connect with other researchers. A location map is available on my synopsis:


Cork / CONNELL / O'CONNELL Family of Ballyvoge (Ballyvouge/Ballyvogue), Macroom
« on: Monday 13 March 17 11:12 GMT (UK)  »
The homeplace for my wife’s branch of the family (usually recorded without the O’ until late in the C19th) has been identified as the townland of Ballyvoge (Ballyvouge/Ballyvogue), west of Macroom. Records can also refer to nearby Inchigeelah and Kilnamartyra (parishes and church) and Macroom (regional registration district). There are enough records to indicate that there must have been an extensive CONNELL family in the area, so I would be pleased to hear from anyone who has more information or is related to this family. The family were Roman Catholic.

The current identified heads of the CONNELL family are my wife’s 2xGGPs John CONNELL, a labourer & his wife Mary McCARTHY who married in 1860. The only family witness at the wedding was a Callahan McCARTHY who is possibly the bride’s father (although it is a popular name in the area). Only 4 children are known, without further information on John & Mary. It is possible they emigrated to the US (to explain son Daniel being there in 1899) or remained in the townland.

Synopsis available on

Thanks, Mark

Cork / DONOVAN of Derrylahan townland (Dunmanway)
« on: Sunday 19 February 17 18:12 GMT (UK)  »
If anyone finds they are connected to this family, a local study covering the family is underway. If anyone has anything to share not already recorded, I would be pleased to hear from them. Comments and corrections welcome. I would be particularly interested in any descendants having knowledge that connects the DONOVANs of Derrylahan with the DONOVANs of the neighbouring townland of Derrinasafagh (beyond that this area of West Cork is a known DONOVAN homeplace), who share a naming pattern.
The current synopsis is on

Cork / MENNIS family in West Cork
« on: Sunday 19 February 17 18:08 GMT (UK)  »
If anyone finds they are connected to this family, I have just completed a local study covering all of that name in West Cork. If anyone has anything to share not already recorded, I would be pleased to hear from them, as there remain a few loose ends. Comments and corrections welcome.
The current synopsis is on

Lincolnshire / SMITH of Sloothby & Willoughby
« on: Sunday 19 February 17 17:56 GMT (UK)  »
Well I have confirmed the first John SMTH in my family (my 3xGGF).   :'(
Investigations would suggest he is the 1821 s/o William & Mary SMITH of the hamlet of Sloothby, whose many children were baptised at Willoughby St Helena. William looks like the 1788 s/o Samuel & Susanna, both of whom died in Sloothby in 1841 & 1839 respectively, being buried at St Helena. I haven't either marriage that I feel confident in yet.
William & Mary had some interesting children's names including Highley, Salome & Solomon which may be clues to local family connections. Samuel may be the 1760 s/o Solomon & Elizabeth, consequently.
I would like to hear from anyone recognising this family to exchange notes. There are a couple of other Sloothby SMITH families who may be related (for eg. a William & Ann). I have just started out on this new trail and have exhausted the usual sources such as Ancestry, Familysearch & FreeREG.

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