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10 seems like a lot of money for 1889.
And signing up for two years, but then buying yourself out after just 2 months seems unusual. Was it ?

71052 Williams, Walter FindMyPast record here - - the information is only on the scanned image, not the transcription

Wales / Parish of St Pauls in or near the Town of Llanelly in the County of Glamorgan
« on: Monday 13 November 17 06:54 GMT (UK)  »
"In the Parish of St Pauls in or near the Town of Llanelly in the County of Glamorgan" is where the February 1889 attestation of Walter Williams RA (Royal Artillery) 71052 aged 20 year 1 month says he was born (in December 1869 if his age is correct).
FindMyPast record here -

But I can't find any Parish of St Pauls in or near the Town of Llanelly in the County of Glamorgan.

So I'm looking for a village/town/place named Llanelli/Llanelly with a nearby church/parish of St Pauls in Glamorganshire or neighbouring counties.

I'm fairly certain that this is actually either Llanelly Monmouthshire or Llanelli Carmarthenshire since there doesn't appear to be any Llanelly in Glamorganshire.

I've attached a cropped screenshot of places in Wales starting 'Llanell...'according to GENUKI - Llanelli/Llanelly in Carmarthenshire, Llanelly/Llanelly Hill in Breconshire, Llanellen in Monmouthshire,and Llanelltyd way up north in Merionethshire (see attached screenshot)

I've also attached three combined screenshots from GENUKI maps to show the boundaries of Carms, Glams and Brecs.

The Church in Wales site (Anglican) shows only two current St Pauls parishes: Grangetown St Paul ( Cardiff, Glamorganshire ) and Newport St Paul ( in Newport )

As far as I can tell there's no parish of St Pauls near Llanelly Monmouthshire, not even a church of St Paul

No parish of St Pauls in Llanelli Carmarthenshire, but there is (was?) a church of St Paul in the town centre

Can anybody enlighten me as to where this chap was most likely to have been born?

World War One / "Qualified to perform the duties of a Cold-shoe" - What's that ?
« on: Sunday 12 November 17 07:43 GMT (UK)  »
I've got a service record that states (on the last page) against "4. Passed classes of instruction.."

"Qualified to perform the duties of a Cold-shoe at aldershot 31.8.17"

So what's a cold-shoe then ?

Ireland / Fully defining a 'place' in Ireland
« on: Friday 03 November 17 13:08 GMT (UK)  »
I've recently realized that my original method of identifying a 'place' in Ireland as follows is truly insufficient:
Place: Ballynattin
Location: Midway between Cahir and Fethard towns

I'm beginning to think that I need to include a reference like this for every 'place':
County: Tipperary (south riding)
Barony: Middlethird
Civil Parish: Mora
Townland: Ballinattin Upper, Ballinattin Lower
Poor Law Union: Cashel
Registrar's District: Tullamain
Electoral Division: Graigue
RC Parish: Clerihan? Powerstown? New Inn? Cashel ?

As you can probably tell from the question marks it's the last item, the RC Parish, that I'm having trouble nailing a 'place' down to.

The following four websites used together allow me to work out with a high degree of confidence all except the RC Parish: - (County,CP, PLU, RD) - (County, Barony, CP, Townland + map) - (County,Barony, CP,ED + map),613673,631163,9,7 - (Map with townlands, CPs, and baronies+modern map overlay)

To find the RC Parish I use this, which gives the closest RC chapels and the RC parishes in which they lie: - (Map with RC chapels marked)

Is there any way I can be more sure about the RC Parish, or is a shortlist the best I'm going to do ?

I found an article in a Welsh newspaper, The Carmarthen Journal and South Wales Weekly Advertiser, 5th June 1908 ( ) stating very clearly that the Carmarthenshire Royal Garrison Artillery (Militia) was disbanded on Saturday 30 May 1908 (just over halfway down column 2 in the scan, to the right of the 'Local Intelligence' heading :

"The Carmarthenshire Royal Garrison Artillery (Militia). established in 1750. was dissolved on Saturday, and the Reserves, who received their bounty when they boarded the train conveyed them from Carmarthen, will in future be the Field Artillery Reserves, and train yearly with regulars at Newport, Mon."

My great grandfather Walter Williams (b c.1869 Llanelli, Carmarthenshire), on his WWI attestation papers (1 Feb 1915, 20212, Williams, Walter, Welsh Army Corps, Carmarthenshire Batt'n), claimed to have previously served in the Carmathen RGA (see attached image). On my last vist to England (a few years ago) I searched through the boxes of papers for the Carmathen RGA WO96/1314 to WO96/1315) at TNA Kew but found nothing that matched him (there was, I recall, a Walter Williams b1887 Llanelli Carmarthenshire but birth year and other details didn't match)

Looking at the TNA website today ( ) I noticed that WO96/1314 and WO96/1315 cover 1882-1912 - i.e they don't terminate in 1908.

Q1 - If the Carmarthen RGA was disbanded in 1908 why do its records continue to 1912 ?

Q2 - Rather confusingly WO68/3 ( ) seems to indicate that the Carmarthen, Royal Field (Reserve) Artillery (who I'd expect to begin in 1908) was formerly the Royal Carmarthen Rifles (Militia) and existed from 1793-1908. Does this mean that the Carmarthen, Royal Field (Reserve) Artillery was disbanded in 1908.

Q3 - Could it be that the Carmarthen RGA, Carmarthen Royal Field (Reserve) Artillery, and perhaps other units were combined in 1908? If so what was the new unit, and which subset of WO96
contains its records ?

Q4 - Could there be confusion about Carmarthen RGA v. Carmarthen Royal Field (Reserve) Artillery? Might it be worth me searching for my great-grandfather in the Carmarthen Royal Field (Reserve) Artillery records?

Q5 - I assume that this 1908 disbanding of the unit was more than just a rebranding? From other newspaper articles of the time I believe that there was a fair bit of restructuring of the reserve forces between the Boer War and WWI.

Ireland / Griffiths Valuation - What does "In Fee" in the Lessor column mean?
« on: Sunday 17 September 17 12:02 BST (UK)  »
Entry 7 on the image shows the Earl Of Kingston as the occupier, and the immediate lessors as "In fee" (yellow highlight on attached image).

What does that mean ?

Cork / The 2 or 3 RC Parishes Almost Surrounded By Glanworth & Ballindangan ?
« on: Friday 15 September 17 06:55 BST (UK)  »
The attached image is from the NLI RC parishes map with the bit of interest in yellow - almost looks like this, doesn't it --> :)
If I zoom in on the NLI map the right eye is Kilpadder and the left eye is Kilshannig.

If I look at the East Cork RC parish map on Irish Ancestors the smiley face bit is labelled 'A' with a note that 'A above - Kilpadder Killshannig Glountane'. But Glountane is four parishes away to the SW, just beyond Mallow.

So what RC parish does the yellow bit come under - is it really Glountane ? And what are the extents of Kilpadder and Kilshannig RC parishes ?

(edited to add the final RC in bold after mention of Kilshannig Civil Parish in some of the responses. Edited the topic title to change Dioceses to Parishes)

Cork / Clomlongh ? Place in Mitchelstown/Mulberry/Ballykearney area
« on: Thursday 14 September 17 08:12 BST (UK)  »
Can anybody confirm the place where Bridget was born on 1 Apr 1906, same as the address given for her father Michael Corbett.

It looks like Clomlongh tome, but this doesn't appear to be a real placename.

Ireland / Surname Lane - Was It A Common Irish RC Name In The Early 1800s?
« on: Wednesday 13 September 17 17:30 BST (UK)  »
Somebody pointed out that the surname Lane doesn't sound Irish.

The name appeared as the mother of one Ellen Cusack on her 8 Mar 1859 Glanworth and Ballindangan marriage record. Her father was James Cusack, which does sound Irish - I think ?

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