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Ayrshire / Re: searching for a Thomas Grahm from Ayrshire
« on: Friday 25 May 18 22:18 BST (UK)  »
Have you got his death certificate from 1847? - presumably in Liverpool as this is the last place you give for his residence in 1841.

Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Bond or Administration
« on: Friday 25 May 18 22:09 BST (UK)  »
First 4 words Latin:
Then "Richum Haydon de (of) Longe Compton in County Warwick husbandman, et (and) John Keene in County Gloucester Yeoman"

Lanarkshire / Re: A basic question about Lanark OPR's
« on: Friday 25 May 18 11:28 BST (UK)  »
Interestingly the film of the OPR for Lanark on familysearch doesn't give the name of the church. Just "Old OPR for Lanark. Church of Scotland"
Its number is 1066596. You should be able to view it on line (not sure whether this is only at a family history library or not - my computer is on a go-slow so can't look at it, but it's definitely viewable), and your Isobel Barr is certainly on it. Parents John Barr and Martha Paton. Born 21st May, christened 31st June 1833.

There seems to be two contenders for churches in Lanark - Greyfriars and St Nicholas.,_Lanark
St Nicholas  is 'Church of Scotland'
Greyfriars would seem to be Presbyterian.

I suspect the Church of Scotland would be the OPRs, but I leave that to somebody more knowledgeable then me with regards to Scottish religious denominations.

Hi maec
Thanks for your thoughts.
I've seen that the Courtney family also use the 3 red torteau.

If you go back to my first post on this thread, you can see the original quarterings.
1 - 4 are for the Fynney families (although I can't ascribe nos 2 & 3 to anybody in particular),
then number 5 (which is the first one chronologically), is the 3 red torteau and unknown red pennants.
As I said, Ingelram de Fiennes married Sibyl de Tingerie about 1170. Her father was Pharamus de Tingerie/Tingree, Count of Boulogne, so I think  we can say that that '3 red torteau' is the Counts of Boulogne, and not the Earls of Devon. The Courtneys may well have descended from the same people, and carried on with the crest. I think I saw somewhere that it's in Prince Phillip's coat of arms too!
It may well be that the red pennants come from the Tingree side, but I've not been able to track them down. As KGarrard said, tricky when they are French, and way before these things were regulated.

I can't see any from my main Fynney/Finney family (apart from the obvious Fynney one), but I think the Fowler one also comes in on another branch of Finneys - as you say, from Leek.
Apart from that I can't see any that fit in.
If they are all from the Leek book, they could just be Leek families, and not necessarily all connected to the Fynneys.
Are there any more? You seem to have loaded the ones from 'C' though to 'H'.

I have come across the book by John Sleigh before, although I don't own a copy, I have seen the chapter on the Fynneys. I didn't get to look at it long enough to see all these crests were in it! and it was some years ago now, when I hadn't really got round to looking into all the coats of arms. Should've taken more photos!

Thanks for taking the time and trouble to post them all.
Cheers  :)

Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Deciphering convict conduct record
« on: Friday 25 May 18 08:47 BST (UK)  »
I'd say the first one is "Bad', and the second one "Bad 2 class".
Sounds like a comment on his behaviour. Oh dear ;)

Gosh, it seems as if your Gran was really interested in Coats of arms.
Do you think they are all related to your Fynney family somehow?
They don't appear in the families of the Fynneys I've looked at.
How interesting  ;)

Love the photo of your granddad with the lion!

Fantastic Sharon!
Thank you so much.
I look forward to hearing from you with baited breath  ;)

Hi Maec
Thanks for the links.
Certainly something to look into, although I have never come across any reference in all the documentation I've seen about the Fynneys that there was ever an connection with any Cheshire families. Not to say there wasn't though - you never know.

The second link to 'Fynney' on wikitree takes me to a long list of Fynney families - some I can see are mine, others not. There is no reference to the Houghs on that page - do you know which Fynney it referred to?
Many thanks for you interest and help.

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