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Gloucestershire Lookup Requests / Re: Marriage Lookup - Cheltenham 1870
« on: Sunday 11 September 22 02:44 BST (UK)  »
Hi ciderdrinker - thank you for posting the census and all the extra info!! Maybe Abel is from the first marriage? While I said I haven't found his first marriage... I haven't (in Cheltenham)... there are a couple of possibilities. Gloucester 1830 to Margaret Bishop or Bristol 1824 to Sarah Newton Maggs.

Wonder where Rachel disappears to. There's an overseer document relating to a Rachel Holland in 1802 in Cowley on Ancestry.
trish1120 - hence while I'm not ruling it out completely! :) He's born four years after their 2nd last child so he may have been a surprise! Wouldn't be the first time someone brought down their age to make it more in line with their partner either.

Capetown: I had no idea they could offer that. Much more used to not having that option, I'll definitely look into that. Thanks for the tip and the added info! And very interesting that the name is a known gypsey name in the area. I had no idea! Might have to look up these sites. And the different pronunciations can make life difficult.

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Gloucestershire Lookup Requests / Re: Marriage Lookup - Cheltenham 1870
« on: Saturday 10 September 22 02:08 BST (UK)  »
mckha489, BumbleB & Capetown - Thanks! Damn. I was hoping to get away without that, considering how long it takes international post to get here in Oz these days (and the cost!). Because of his circumstances I'm not surprised it's a register office marriage.

ciderdrinker - thank you for all that info! I didn't think that some might have chased him up so didn't add anything about them. I'm surprised you found that 1851 census since I sure can't. Other census returns put his birth in Cheltenham? Looking at the map I suppose you could say it is, heh.

Just to make sure we're looking at the same Joseph Holland, I better put more of what I know of him -

Joseph Holland married Sarah Fossett in Cheltenham in 1834. Both are listed as widows, but I can't find another marriage for him (her maiden name is Bowles). They had three/four children: George (b 1840), Louisa (b 1846), Emma (b 1846 in the 1861 census but nowhere else... possibly Louisa?) and Sarah (b 1854).

Joseph is a bit of a bad boy because he's had two children with Pricilla Brooker while married. Joseph George Holland (b 1846) and Frederick Holland (b 1848) but both go by Brooker in census records. Priscilla lists herself as married.

Joseph's wife Sarah dies in 1869 and he marries Priscilla the next year. Joseph dies in 1880 and Priscilla in 1889.

It's exciting that you found a Rachel! At least the name runs in the family, if that's not mine. My Rachel married Robert Hoskin in Newgate in 1807 and had her last baby in 1826. Not impossible, but for the 1780 baptism it doesn't seem likely ??? Might be a cousin then.

I only found this through four DNA matches (two from Louisa Holland, two from Joseph George Brooker) who are close enough matches to my mother and aunt. They match with known Hoskin & Holland cousins.

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Gloucestershire Lookup Requests / Marriage Lookup - Cheltenham 1870
« on: Friday 09 September 22 07:51 BST (UK)  »
Hi,

I'm hoping someone could please look up the details of a marriage for me?

Joseph Hollan (should be Holland) married Priscilla Brooker
3rd Quarter 1870
Cheltenham
Vol: 6a
Page: 907

I'm really hoping Joseph's father's name might be a major help.

DNA matches seem to suggest that he's possibly the brother or cousin of my 4x great-grandmother, Rachel Holland (baptised around 1786). She married my 4x great-grandfather in London and I haven't found any traces of her pre-marriage. Their marriage record was destroyed in WWII, and she died before the 1851 census, so I don't know any potential relatives or where she was born.

Thank you for any help anyone can provide!

Kellie

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Rutland / Re: Morris Family in Caldecott, Rutland, England 1600s to Present
« on: Friday 16 April 21 06:05 BST (UK)  »
Hi, if you're wanting the original images of the BMDs Find My Past has them now. Not sure if Northamptonshire Archives has any wills, I've yet to come across any as yet but I mean to do a better search soon.

I descend through Sarah Morris (1702-1786) daughter of William and Sarah :)

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The Lighter Side / Re: Does family history get to you sometimes?
« on: Friday 16 April 21 06:01 BST (UK)  »
It definitely does. We all have our 'Who Do You Think You Are' sadness moments I think - it'd be hard not to feel for your ancestor's tragic stories.

My grandmother had an older brother that we didn't know about. He was illegitimate (although I think my great-grandfather was the father) and went to his mother's side of the family. He died at only 13 and he would've most likely gone to school with my grandmother. Did she know who he was?

My 3x great-grandmother killed her just-born baby. Reading the very detailed description of how she went about it... it did break me.

And another ancestor shot himself in front of his wife and daughter. He held on for two hours afterwards. That made me sad and angry, for him to do that in front of his family.

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London & Middlesex Lookup Requests / Re: Mary Price baptism in Wapping?
« on: Tuesday 22 September 20 07:24 BST (UK)  »
Best not to look - my antivirus went mental with pop up warnings!

Thanks for that baptism mckha489 :) At 24 days old, and it being 1769.. she would've been 9 when she got married?  ???

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London & Middlesex Lookup Requests / Mary Price baptism in Wapping?
« on: Tuesday 22 September 20 06:31 BST (UK)  »
I'm hoping someone could please help in locating the baptism of my 5x great-grandmother, Mary Price. I can't find her father.

Mary married Edward Hoskin in St George's in the East in 1778. According to what I believe is her burial record in Croydon she was born around 1758.
One of the witnesses to the marriage was Raymond Payne.. I found Raymond Payne marrying Sarah Price, a widow, both from Wapping in 1768 by licence.
In 1784 Edward Hoskin gets some insurance in Sarah's name so she must be Mary's mother.

There's a banns notice for 1758 for William Price and Sarah Berbetain(??) in Wapping but another a few years later for William and Jane.

I'm hoping someone is able to please look at baptisms for Wapping to see if Mary is in there? I tried to get to the Docklands Ancestors website but it's turned into a trojan nightmare.

I have found other baptisms elsewhere but more around Holborn (where a Mary Price is baptised to Charles and Sarah Price; another contender since one of her sons was Charles Raymond). I want to make sure she wasn't born in Wapping though.

Thank you if anyone can help!

Regards,
Kellie

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Leicestershire / Re: Leicestershire Parish Records
« on: Tuesday 17 January 17 22:19 GMT (UK)  »
Woohoo at breaking that brick wall - and for the records now being online! ;D Thanks for the heads up!

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Australia / Re: Victoria death RUSSELL Completed
« on: Sunday 15 January 17 22:20 GMT (UK)  »
It's a shame you can't get the inquests online; however Archival Access Victoria can get them on your behalf  :) If you're willing to pay and no one here can look it up for you. He got my great-grandmother's 1967 inquest.

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