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Ireland / Re: Denis McKay + Henry/Neil McKay Lookup or Advice
« on: Yesterday at 23:20 »
No I didn’t see the marriage. The Loughgilly RC marriage records start in 1825 but tradition was to marry in the bride’s church, so not necessarily the same parish as the children were later baptised in.  Not all parishes have records for the period you need. There was a child born in 1842 so presumably they married before that.  Creggan Lower and Killeavy Lower are a couple of the adjacent parishes. Both their marriage records only start in 1845, so if the couple married in either of those parishes, then no records exist.

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Down / Re: Drumlough Presbyterian church
« on: Yesterday at 17:50 »
According to my guide to Presbyterian congregations, Drumlough opened in 1819.  In 1841 the congregation had 1750 members. So there would have been baptisms and marriages there from 1819 onwards but it appears no early records exist.

Bear in mind that tradition was to marry in the bride's church, so which church a marriage took place in often depended on the bride’s denomination and residence.

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: St Cuthbert's Edinburgh address
« on: Friday 12 April 24 05:39 BST (UK)  »
4 Gilmour St?

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Scotland / Re: Statutory Marriage Registration c1870s, Scotland
« on: Thursday 11 April 24 22:22 BST (UK)  »
Similar arrangements applied in Ireland from 1864 onwards and large numbers of RC marriages never got notified to the civil Registrar here either. The problem was still prevalent in the 1930s and was mentioned in the NI Registrar General's Annual Report around 1935. See this recent string on the subject:

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=881808.0

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Antrim / Re: Did Roman Catholics make civil registrations in Belfast?
« on: Tuesday 09 April 24 09:26 BST (UK)  »
I have come across lots of marriages at St Patrick’s that were not notified to the civil registrar, spanning 1864 to at least 1920. Last year I attended a public talk given by the then head of GRONI in Belfast and she mentioned that many of St Pat's and some other Catholic churches in NI had not made it into the civil records.

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Ireland / Re: Trying to ID location on birth certificate
« on: Sunday 07 April 24 19:18 BST (UK)  »
Peter Wade is shown as deceased in 1867. Death registration only started in Ireland in 1864 so if he died before that, tracing him may be hard going. As a labourer he probably doesn’t have a gravestone.

The Ros Davies Co. Down site has one Peter Wade who married in Downpatrick in 1822, in the Church of Ireland (Episcopalian). If you get no other leads you could try searching that parishes records though it probably needs a trip to PRONI in Belfast where they hold copies.

https://freepages.rootsweb.com/~rosdavies/genealogy/SURNAMES/W/WadWam.htm

That parishes Church of Ireland records start in 1701. Some years are on the rootsireland site (subscription). 

Tradition was to marry in the bride’s church, after which she’d normally attend her husband’s. So can’t guarantee it was Peter Wade’s church too but it might have been. But he could have been Presbyterian. 2 Presbyterian churches in Downpatrick. The mainstream Pres church has records from 1827. The Non Subscribing Pres church has records from 1837. I don’t think they are on-line but there are copies in PRONI.

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The Common Room / Re: Why so much Scottish DNA?
« on: Saturday 06 April 24 22:10 BST (UK)  »
Ethnicity testing is about as reliable as a horoscope.

There has been so much internal migration around the British Isles over the past 2000 years, the idea of clear separate identities for the various groups (Scots, English, Welsh etc) is just silly. To which I would add that ethnicity has little scientific basis. It's a modern cultural invention. Most scientists avoid it like the plague.

Stick to specific DNA matches.

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Ireland / Re: Denis McKay + Henry/Neil McKay Lookup or Advice
« on: Saturday 06 April 24 13:59 BST (UK)  »
If you are interested in where the McCoy family lived in Loughgilly, use the Griffiths Valuation site. There are maps there that show you the layout in the 1860s and also today. Plus you can view a satellite image too.

https://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=nameSearch

The McCoy plot was no 36 in Carrowmannan on the Griffiths maps. That was a narrow strip of land on either side of the modern A25 Newtown Rd, today close to Dip & Dazzle Dog grooming. About a quarter of a mile west of Belleek (sometimes Balleek). The farmhouse itself was just beside the Newtown Rd. I see some ruined single story buildings there today. It does not look inhabited. The land around it looks still to be farmland, save for a section across the road from the old farm which is occupied by a modern house.

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Ireland / Re: Denis McKay + Henry/Neil McKay Lookup or Advice
« on: Saturday 06 April 24 11:01 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: jacko9 on Saturday 06 April 24 00:25 BST (UK)


Just as an FYI, I got the docs for Michael:

- Marriage in 1871: 28, Coal Miner. Father: ?Henry? McKay, ag. lab.


I think the father’s name on the marriage certificate is Harry, not Henry. But Harry is a common synonym for Henry. (Prince Harry’s name on his birth certificate is Henry). Other examples are Sarah & Sally, Peggy & Margaret, Robin & Robert (poet Robert Burns was known to his friends as Robin),  John & Jack and so on. Note that both Henry/Harry & Mary were both still alive in 1871. I can’t find any other couple who were still both alive in 1871, who fit the information you have.

Ag Lab and farmer are not always the same thing but with only 5 acres Henry was close to being an ag lab.

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