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World War One / Re: Help with identifying WW1 soldier's parents:
« on: Wednesday 16 March 16 00:59 GMT (UK)  »
Florence M Campanelle nee Ball is a bit of a mystery.  She is NOT a close relative of Edward Broome or it would say so on the Register of Effects i.e. Aunt: Sole Leg: Sis: Sole Leg: etc., it doesn't it just gives her name so she is not a relation.  That makes her some kind of friend that he has left everything to.

She was born in Dudley, Staffordshire in abt 1887 and at some point she and her sister Lizzie Ball have been adopted by William and Anne Shaw.  She was married as Mean_genie says in 1908 to Giovanni Campanelle in Salford.  Her adoptive mother ran her own restaurant and her Italian husband who appears to be 20 years her senior ran his own coffee bar. 

By 1914 she is 27 years old with five children and goes on to have a sixth child (also Florence M) in 1917.  There is a death shown for a John Campanelle in 1917 in Salford but his age is shown as 38 where Florence's husband is shown as being 43 in 1911. But this could be him as ages were often changed or put down incorrectly.

She and Edward probably lived within a mile of each other at some point and it is credible to believe that they could have met either in the coffee bar or the restaurant.  By 1917 there is a possibility that she is a young widow age 30 with 6 children one of them newly born.  Maybe they met and Edward took a shine to her or felt sorry for her plight and changed his will to leave everything to her should the worst happen to him.

But the fact is I have not been able to find any proof of a link between Edward and Florence and so why he should leave his legacy to her and not any of his brothers and sisters I don't really know.

Martin

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World War One / Re: Help with identifying WW1 soldier's parents:
« on: Wednesday 16 March 16 00:04 GMT (UK)  »
This is only a possibility but in the 1891 Census there is a William Broome born 1890 at Fenton living with his married sister at 63 Raymond Street, Shelton, Stoke on Trent.  Fenton is a few miles away from Chesterton on the other side of Stoke on Trent.

He is there with his mother and six siblings a number of them including his married sister born in Chesterton. His mother Annie Broome b. Stoke 1849 is shown as married but no husband at that address.

Going back to 1881 Census the family are living at 11 Pump Street, Stoke. Father Edwin Broom (note spelling) born abt. 1852. In 1891 Edwin is a boarder in Audley, Staffs. Edwin is Alice's second husband (there is a step daughter Alice Ann Kimberlin b Chesterton).

Now someone else really does need to check that for you but as far as I can tell Edward's parents are Edwin and Annie Broom/Broome.

Martin

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World War One / Re: Help with identifying WW1 sodier's parents:
« on: Tuesday 15 March 16 22:41 GMT (UK)  »
There is a William Edward Broome a Puddler born Chesterton 1890  in 1911 census. 

The previous entry (for a Joseph Gardner) says 262, Fletchers Row, IRONVILLE.

Martin

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World War One / Re: Help with identifying WW1 sodier's parents:
« on: Tuesday 15 March 16 22:21 GMT (UK)  »
UK Soldiers Who Died in the Great War has Edward Broome's birthplace as Chesterton, Staffs. That he enlisted in Derby and was residing at Weaste, Lancs which appears to be part of Salford. So that brings the two people closer together geographically but nowhere near Ironville and Codnor I fear.

Martin

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World War One / Re: 17th Northumberland fusiliers Kingston upon Hull
« on: Saturday 13 February 16 00:42 GMT (UK)  »
His MIC and both of the Award Rolls show that he stayed with the 17th and was fit enough to be transferred to the Army Reserve (Class Z) at the end of the war. That would suggest to me that there is every likelihood that your grandfather rejoined his battalion.

Martin

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World War One / Re: Help reading Medal card
« on: Sunday 14 June 15 01:48 BST (UK)  »
Hi

Some more information for you. Service Records are available on "Ancestry" for 17358 Private Horace Gough. Home address 50 Monton Street, Moss Side enlisted 20th Manchester Regt 16/11/1914. 

There is a letter requesting Horace to send back the duplicate 1915 Star he had been sent (in the official envelope provided).  So I was wrong about that - it wasn't noticed until after it had been issued. Your Gt Grandfather obviously did send it back hence the notation on his medal card.

There are two mentions in the Service Records of your Gt Grandfather being awarded the Military Medal - The entries are a bit difficult to read but I think it says  (XIII Corps Routine Orders Number ?218?) is that something you are aware of??

One of the Manchester Regt experts might need to check their records to see if Horace is shown anywhere as being awarded the MM.

The records give a lot more information and would be well worth you looking at.

Martin


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World War One / Re: Help reading Medal card
« on: Saturday 13 June 15 23:36 BST (UK)  »
Hi and welcome to RootsChat

The writing on the left says Dup(licate) Star with a medal roll reference and on the right "Deleted Star Returned (under reference) CRV 179/5 of 22/8/1923. Min 28" 

Your Gt Grandfather was entered twice for the same medal (1915 Star) under the two references given.  The error was spotted and the duplicate medal was not issued to Horace but returned to the issuing authorities. I am not sure what the Min 28 means though.

I confirmed this through the Medal Roll references given which are available on line.  So the extra information written in is an administrative notation only rectifying the previous mistake.

The medal rolls give a bit more information that you might not have.  Horace is shown as being discharged to Class Z (Army Reserve) on 20/2/1919 in the 1915 Star Roll.

The Medal Roll for his Victory and British War Medals show that not only did he serve with 20th Manchester's as you state but also 3rd, 13th and 9th Battalions.  There are no dates given for this Service but he did keep the same Service Number 17358 throughout.

I trust someone will confirm my findings for you but hope that is helpful.

Martin


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World War One / Re: two different names on the same war grave headstone
« on: Saturday 21 February 15 21:03 GMT (UK)  »
I think the dates for inclusion are 4 August 1914 to 31 August 1921.

The 31st August 1921 being the official end of WW1.

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Free Photo Restoration & Date Old Photographs / Re: the queens head
« on: Thursday 19 February 15 20:00 GMT (UK)  »
Hi. I think you will find it is Prince Phillip.

Martin

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