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The Common Room / Re: Same birth registered twice - 6 years apart!!!
« on: Monday 10 September 18 14:54 BST (UK)  »
That's interesting regarding my original birth certificate. When I've had to obtain copies, nothing has gone on them stating adoption (I appreciate there might be rules regarding that as people may not be aware - mine was simply a surname change).

Sounds like there may be some confusion about what actually happened ? If there was a legal adoption through the courts (from 1927) then the original birth entry should be annotated as adopted and that will always be shown on any certificates issued after that.

A "new" birth certificate would be issued from the entry in the Adopted Children's Register (ACR), and clearly stated as such, and would show the change of name and your "new"parents (even if one was already a parent). In many adoption cases only the "short" certificate is used because that doesn't make the adoption as apparent.

Bigamy - I have a relative who thought that would be a good idea around WW2 to have a second wife. I can't find a second marriage registered. Someone told me once that it would be struck from the records - would you know if this is the case? I know the trial was held in London and he went to prison, but there are no other details available as he's been deceased over 40 years. There is a possibility his second wife was from India where he served, but if she was in this country I can't locate a record

If the marriage was in England/Wales then you should find it in the indexes - supposedly if the registrar/GRO later became aware that a marriage was bigamous any application to obtain a certificate could be refused, but having said that I've looked at many bigamous marriages and always been able to get copies of the relevant certificates without a problem.

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The Common Room / Re: Same birth registered twice - 6 years apart!!!
« on: Monday 10 September 18 07:37 BST (UK)  »
Be careful not to confuse re-registration, which can only be done in certain specific circumstances (although it is quite common), and the entirely different processes around adoption, which involve new entries in the Adopted Children's Register, and are not re-registrations.

I didn't realise you could do that. I considered it, but thought it would just sort of overwrite the original birth cert - my stepfather adopted me, so my original birth registration doesn't exist in its original form

Re-registration of children a couple have had together after they later marry is actually now a legal requirement, not just an option, although many couples don't realise and never get around to it.

Your original birth registration (as for any adopted person) certainly does exist in its original form - the only change will be the word "adopted" added in the margin by the Supt. Registrar.

My mother's birth was registered 3 weeks after the first registration.  Place of birth is the only difference. There is a note in the margin on one of them, but I was able to purchase both certificates no problem.

That sounds more like a correction, which is yet another process - it shouldn't have been a re-registration unless of course the corrected place of birth was in a different district.

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Before 1837 - Catholics would have to marry in the CofE parish church performed by the Anglican vicar, but may have had a Catholic ceremony before or after (often on the same day) carried out elsewhere by their Catholic priest.

However, even after 1837, it is still worth checking the church records - many Catholic churches kept their own register alongside the "official" civil one ....... I believe some still do.

My GG Grandparents married in a Catholic church in Liverpool in 1858. The standard certificate, which I obtained through GRO years ago just mentions the usual father/father's occupation.

But the Catholic church register (now available on Ancestry) is a completely different format and although in Latin, it gives the place of origin of both the bride and groom,  the names of their fathers AND mothers and even gives where the witnesses came from.

A registrar may still attend a religious wedding if the (non-CofE) church has no "authorised person" to carry out the registration, but the vast majority do. For Catholics, that would usually, but not always, be the parish priest. That has been allowed since 1898.


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The Lighter Side / Re: Abbreviation on marriage register entry.
« on: Sunday 26 August 18 16:17 BST (UK)  »
Witnesses names are not recorded on marriage registers, only their signatures. So that is how he signed his name  ... could well be he liked to mention his Military Medal.


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The Lighter Side / Re: Unusual Birth locations
« on: Monday 20 August 18 13:35 BST (UK)  »
I wonder what it will say on the Birth Cert?

GRO have rules for such things, the place of birth should probably be recorded as:

  "Cornwall, on the way to the Royal Cornwall Hospital, Truro"

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The Common Room / Re: Parentage problems!
« on: Saturday 18 August 18 12:56 BST (UK)  »
On a topical note, Aretha Franklin had her first child at the age of 12

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World War Two / Re: WW11 Army Service Record
« on: Saturday 11 August 18 14:08 BST (UK)  »
I've just received two army service records from the MoD - took about 3 weeks.

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The Common Room / Re: Same couple married each other twice within 18 months
« on: Friday 10 August 18 09:02 BST (UK)  »
These double marriages do crop up quite regularly - and often there is no obvious explanation. The WW2 fighter pilot Sir Douglas Bader being a well known example.

It is quite legal ( and specifically allowed under the Marriage Act) for a couple to have a religious wedding ceremony after already being married in a register office - but the second marriage doesn't require banns or any licence  and should not be entered into the church's marriage register.

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The Common Room / Re: Annie born 1917 West Ham....
« on: Tuesday 07 August 18 15:02 BST (UK)  »
You may want to look at Annie Louisa Frances Styles, who married James Teetgen in Canning town in 1920.

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