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Family History Beginners Board / Re: General opinion wanted
« on: Monday 05 September 11 19:57 BST (UK)  »
Thanks, Roger. I think that's all I can do, unless anything else comes to light. If it WERE the couple that didn't have "another" William, then there would be a naming pattern which meant that William (who would have been the first son) & William's first son, would have both been named after their parental grandfathers. So maybe that's the best bet to go with, while making regular checks to see if I can find anything else. I can't find a birth for the "spare" Ann

Family History Beginners Board / Re: General opinion wanted
« on: Monday 05 September 11 16:20 BST (UK)  »
Thank you all very much. I have posted on this topic before & we couldn't come to any definite conclusion, which is why I haven't posted the full details (there's no point anyone going over all the work again. I've also had some friends from outside these boards trying to help)

Since then, though, I've found the "spare possible mother", so I'm really asking you where you would go from here.

What I've got is the baptism of a William, parents John & Ann. I can find a James & Ann & a John & Mary, but no John & Ann. The baptism of William would fit into a "gap" in either family, according to the records of baptisms I've got for their other children. One of these families did have a William six years later, whereas the other couple don't seem to have named another child William.

As I've said, I've also found the death of an Ann, whose age would have made it possible for her to have been William's mother. I don't know whether she was a widow or a single woman. I can't find a marriage for a second Ann in the village.

Several people have looked at William's baptism record for me, but they can't find anything untoward. There was a John & Ann in a neighbouring village, but, if William was their son, he would have had to have been born a few years before they married & they had a William "of their own".

William's first son was Thomas, so this doesn't tie in with his father being either John or James (but it would tie in with a grandfather)

At what point do you say "I can't reach any conclusion" or would you pursue the couple who didn't have a William "of their own"?

Thank you

Family History Beginners Board / General opinion wanted
« on: Thursday 01 September 11 13:25 BST (UK)  »
I have a baptism in a small village in 1800 with the parents' names given (both the same surname as the child). I can later only find someone who COULD have been the mother....the only possibility for the father (same name) was married to someone else, & produced a good crop of children with her. I can't find any siblings for the child whose baptism I'm looking at. I've searched far & wide but can't find another couple who could have been his parents.

Soooo, this is one of those wonderfully vague questions. If this child was actually illegitimate & was the result of an affair the man married to someone else had , would it have been possible/acceptable for the mother to have adopted the father's surname & for her name in this form & his name to have benn registered as the parents (bearing in mind this was a small village & everyone would have known he was married to someone else) &, if there were circumstances of illegitimacy, are there any indications I could look for ?

Leicestershire / Re: Can anyone help me get further back, please ?
« on: Wednesday 16 March 11 19:20 GMT (UK)  »
There's only one poster on here who's registered an interest in the surname Olivant & they've got them placed in Oldsall/Notts. Unfortunately, the poster concerned registered 2 years ago but has never posted, so I can't send them a message. There were some Hudsons at Oldsall that I thought could be mine at first...possibly relatives....would maybe have to look there to find John & Ann's marriage/their origins

Leicestershire / Re: Can anyone help me get further back, please ?
« on: Wednesday 16 March 11 19:07 GMT (UK)  »
A couple of people have got William in their family trees on Ancestry, but they haven't got his has got his mother as Ann Olivant

Leicestershire / Re: Can anyone help me get further back, please ?
« on: Wednesday 16 March 11 18:21 GMT (UK)  »
Sorry, slaw. I forgot to change my wife's ID when I thanked you.

Thank you very much, would help a great deal, but please don't go to any trouble. My Hudsons moved to Ruddington, Notts, at some stage. William's son Thomas was born there c 1832 (details from the census) & they zigzag across Leics/Derbys/ branch eventually settling in Nottingham. But I don't know where John started off.

Leicestershire / Can anyone help me get further back, please ?
« on: Wednesday 16 March 11 15:12 GMT (UK)  »
Can anyone help me with this please ? According to the census records, William Hudson was born in 1806 in Shepshed. By the time of the 1841 census, he was living in Ruddington, Notts.  (Class HO107 Piece 863 Book 11  D 6 Folio 21 Page 35 Line 7 of birth given in 1851 census) I haven't been able to find his birth & was wondering if anyone could help me get further back . If anyone, can you please let me know how you found the information because I've got a subscription to Ancestry, but I'm new to it, so may not be using it properly. I think his son, Thomas (the next descendant I'm interested in) was a non conformist, if that helps find William

Family History Beginners Board / Re: Surnames as first child's middle name
« on: Wednesday 09 February 11 21:28 GMT (UK)  »
I know there was no law to stop her using her maiden name again....just wondered if it was frowned upon if the child who had it in her first marriage was still alive.

And, if she/her new husband didn't want to use it again, would it have been customary to give the first child of the second marriage a surname of a favourite relative/friend/benefactor

Family History Beginners Board / Surnames as first child's middle name
« on: Wednesday 09 February 11 17:37 GMT (UK)  »
I know it was very common to use the wife's surname before marriage as the middle name of the first child. But, if she then remarried or started a family with another man, was it common for her to give the child by him a surname as a middle name.? .....&, if so, would she have considered her own name "used up" already & have taken the surname of a favourite relative /friend/benefactor ?

I know generalisations are dangerous but I was just wondering if anyone had come across this as something that happened reasonably often

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