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Hi, Rebaby:

Have you inquired with any cousins who might have been told something by their parents (your grandmother's siblings, assuming she had any)? In my family, sometimes cousins (and their children) knew about secrets that were hidden from my direct ancestors.

Have you seen your grandmother's birth record, in case it named her father?

Was your grandmother baptized? If yes, her baptismal record might contain a father's name (and it might not).

Have you checked your grandmother's marriage record, to see if a father's name was given?

Have you checked the local newspapers in case your great-grandmother sued someone for child support? (It's a long shot but worth checking.)

Good luck in your search!


The Common Room / Re: Help me unravel the truth....
« on: Tuesday 06 November 18 17:23 GMT (UK)  »
Have you asked the orphanages or are you just going on assumptions? If the latter, it might not hurt to contact them.

The rules are different everywhere (I'm in Canada). I was able to get a copy of my great-grandmother's Salvation Army Maternity Home records (in the United States) because my grandmother was never adopted (she was raised by relatives). I had to provide notarized copies of birth and marriage records proving my relationship to them.

If you haven't already made inquiries with the local libraries and archives, and the local history societies, it might be a good idea to give them a try. In my experience, just because records aren't available online doesn't mean they don't exist in hard copy form somewhere.

Do you have a baptismal record for your grandmother? If one exists, it might have a father's name listed. If you haven't done so already, and if those records aren't online, you could contact the local churches and ask for a look-up.

Have you considered DNA testing?

Good luck with your search.


The Common Room / Re: Help me unravel the truth....
« on: Tuesday 06 November 18 15:47 GMT (UK)  »
There are additional details in this thread from 2011:

The Common Room / Re: Help me unravel the truth....
« on: Tuesday 06 November 18 15:23 GMT (UK)  »
Also, is it possible to get a copy of your grandmother's records from the orphanage (if they still exist)? Sarah might have told them a different story about her daughter's father.

Keep in mind that it's quite possible that Sarah might have used part of her landlord's name on her daughter's birth certificate not because he was the father but because it was an easy fib to think up.

How did Sarah support herself and her children? Is it possible she might have asked for financial assistance from the local government or the church? Do such records still exist?


The Common Room / Re: Help me unravel the truth....
« on: Tuesday 06 November 18 15:09 GMT (UK)  »

Did Thomas Henry Parish leave a will? Just wondering, in case an illegitimate child was provided for within his will (if he had one).

Is it possible that Sarah might have sued your grandmother's biological father (or his estate) for support? I'm wondering how you would find out; either through newspapers or court or bastardy orders held somewhere (if they exist)?


The Common Room / Re: Finding a burial
« on: Tuesday 23 October 18 15:06 BST (UK)  »
Please let us know if you are able to find the info.


The Common Room / Re: Finding a burial
« on: Monday 22 October 18 23:49 BST (UK)  »
If I'm understanding you correctly, YatesJones, I believe I recently encountered a similar situation, so I'll tell you what I learned in case it will help.

We knew when and where both sets of my husband's great-grandparents died (in England) because I had purchased their death records.

I couldn't find an obit for any of them. I sent a query to the local library and they couldn't find any obits, either, so no clues for us there.

I sent a query to the local council and was informed that the g-grandparents weren't buried in any of their cemeteries. I assumed they would have the records for burials in the local churchyard cemeteries but that assumption turned out to be incorrect. (None of these burials are listed anywhere online.)

We reached out to the local church that was associated with my husband's family. Someone at the church checked their burial register, which is still located in the church (because it's not full yet), and found the burial information for all four of my husband's great-grandparents. (There were no tombstones, so inscriptions wouldn't have shown up if any local history society had done transcripts, but I don't think that has happened, anyway.)

We were told that churchyard cemeteries are private property and therefore not under the control of the local council. This particular church keeps their registers in the church until they are full and then they are sent to the local archives.

So, if I'm understanding your situation correctly, my advice to you is this: contact the local churches directly, provide as much specific info as possible on the deaths of the people in question, and ask them if they still have access to their burial registers for those dates; and, if they do, ask if they will do a look-up for you. If they don't, ask where the registers are currently being held and how you can request a look-up from that place.

Good luck in your search!


The Common Room / Re: Marrying a cousin
« on: Monday 30 July 18 19:24 BST (UK)  »
See this article.

To quote :
"If parents are unrelated, their chance of having a child with a birth defect or disability is between 2% and 3%.
If parents are first cousins, the chance is a little higher at 5% to 6%. This is due to the increased chance that they will both carry the same autosomal recessive mutation, passed down through the family."

My question would be whether a doubling or tripling of the chances can be accurately described as being "a little higher."

Yes, overall, 6% is a lot less than 94%, but 6% is three times the rate of 2%.

And then, are we dealing with 6% of 100 people or 100,000 people? If the latter, the number of potentially affected children would rise dramatically.

(I know you're not the originator of the quote; my comment is not directed at you but more in general.)

The Common Room / Re: Marrying a cousin
« on: Monday 30 July 18 17:07 BST (UK)  »
Again, it's not a problem if it happens occasionally in a gene pool. But cousins who are the children of cousins who were the children of cousins, and so on, going back hundreds of years... well, that does increase the likelihood of certain genetic defects. For example:

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