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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Help with records destroyed during WWII
« on: Friday 06 July 18 20:36 BST (UK)  »
I haven't asked Lithuania that, but their requirements (online at the consulate) are pretty clear -- I have to show the connection between my grandparents and me.

Yes, but given the circumstances, it might be useful to ascertain whether there are other secondary proofs of birth that might suffice.

There are undoubtedly other ways to show the connection between you and your grandparents but the question is whether or not the government will accept those.

Here's an example. At some point in Canada (circa the 1930s, I think), the government introduced some sort of government pension, but people had to produce proof of birth. Well, in lots of cases, the original records had been lost (e.g. churches or gov't buildings or archives burned to the ground), so the Government of Canada had other documentation that it would accept instead. My great-grandfather, for example, filled out a form and his cousin attested to having been either present or personally informed of the circumstances of my g-grandfather's birth, including the identity of his parents.

You undoubtedly have your birth record, which identifies your parents. How do you prove that your mother was the child of X & Y, if her original birth and/or baptismal records are gone (or never existed in the first place)? Either the governments of Lithuania and/or Poland accept secondary proofs of identity or they don't. If the former, what proofs will they accept? If the latter, it sounds like you are out of luck, but perhaps a lawyer who specializes in this sort of thing would know of possible work-arounds; this would cost money, obviously.


Family History Beginners Board / Re: Help with records destroyed during WWII
« on: Friday 06 July 18 19:48 BST (UK)  »

Have you looked at the website for the International Tracing Service:

They have some documents online:

If you do a search on Zablauskas you'll get four results but it looks like they're all connected with one document (or one document series #Z00060):

If the online documents don't contain the information you are seeking, perhaps you could contact the ITS directly for help.

I don't know if this would be sufficient proof for the purpose of obtaining dual citizenship but, if you don't have this info, it might still be of interest.


Family History Beginners Board / Re: Help with records destroyed during WWII
« on: Friday 06 July 18 19:37 BST (UK)  »

Given that your mother's original birth or baptismal records, if they ever existed (due to the circumstances at the time), are in all likelihood no longer extant: will the governments of Lithuania and/or Poland accept anything else as proof of her birth?


Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Second opinion please on first name
« on: Thursday 05 July 18 04:28 BST (UK)  »
My guess would be Jos.

The only short form for John that I'm familiar with is Jno. This doesn't look like that to me.

The Common Room / Re: People stealing things off your tree?
« on: Wednesday 20 June 18 20:00 BST (UK)  »
Sorry to hear, it is so annoying and stressful when you spend so much time on things and someone just takes it and passes it off as their own. I suspected if I confronted the person they might also get nasty and then refuse to delete it or simply ignore me. I suppose I could ask ancestry to delete it, but I'd be surprised if they took any notice ::). I wonder whether or not copyright law applies, of course most people can't afford to bring a case or won't because it's only something done not for profit anyway.

Thanks. I've also worked as a newspaper reporter and I still feel irked when I remember the time some jerk plagiarized an article of mine. But at least when that happened my editor emailed the offending newspaper and it complied with our demands (replacing their so-called reporter's byline with our newspaper's name and adding a link to the original story).

The ability to freely copy, paste and otherwise reproduce someone else's work is too big a temptation for some to resist, while other folks might not have a full appreciation of the issues. The way that people use their online trees as they would a notebook in their desk drawer also complicates matters: for me, there's a big difference between the tree I keep on my computer and something I would consider publishable, but that's not the case for most people nowadays.

I don't know how Ancestry would respond. It might be worth a try.

The Common Room / Re: People stealing things off your tree?
« on: Wednesday 20 June 18 15:04 BST (UK)  »
"People steal from printed family histories too, a relative of a relative wholesale copied & photographed a FH I made and put it on their own tree with no acknowledgement!"

This happened to me, too. One of the four or so cousins with whom I shared my expensively-researched printed family tree document gave it to a man who keeps a large tree online with as many people from a specific area as he can find. I noticed he had some info about my family online and contacted him. He proceeded to email me my entire document, complete with all of my data and all of the commentary I had written. I was shocked. I told him that I was the original author of what he had sent me and at first he vehemently denied it. Then he got nasty, called me names, and said it didn't matter because it was all in the public domain. I realized he would never acknowledge my research and that the data was now his, so I begged him to delete the commentary and certain specific identifying details about a family member who had been born and died less than 100 years ago. I don't know if he ever did it. All I know is that he was offering my research on a CD to anyone who would give him data on living people who belonged to this extended family. It was a deeply upsetting experience for me.

The Common Room / Re: People stealing things off your tree?
« on: Monday 18 June 18 17:40 BST (UK)  »
It would upset me, too. Unfortunately (IMO), this has become the norm with people who have online trees. It becomes a case of "once burned, twice shy."

You've learned (the hard way) how much it bothers you. It may not bother some other people but your feelings are yours and they are valid. All you can do now is figure out how you will proceed from here.

The Common Room / Re: Anyone found much use in the Brit. Newspaper Archive sub?
« on: Monday 18 June 18 17:32 BST (UK)  »
I've tried putting the names of everyone listed in my family tree in and barely found anything bar the odd death or birth listing, but 90% nothing

Have you checked the website to make sure they have newspapers from the right area in the right timeframe? That has happened to me when searching for specific obits (in more than one online newspaper archive).

Is it possible that the local library might have newspapers that haven't made it to the internet yet?

It can be a good thing if they didn't make the papers -- it might mean they lived quiet, law-abiding lives -- but it can be frustrating for us as family researchers.

If they weren't mentioned much in the newspapers, perhaps there are other sources of information that you can consult. Have you checked city directories? Sometimes you can learn approximately when someone has died, or when young adults have left their parents' home and if/when they got married.

In my experience, results can vary greatly from family to family. I've found zero newspaper mentions for one extended family but lots of coverage in the church records. With another family, each time more issues of the local newspaper are uploaded, I find more articles, but they all concern court appearances. (Rascals, the lot of them!)

Good luck in your search!

The Common Room / Re: Anyone found much use in the Brit. Newspaper Archive sub?
« on: Saturday 16 June 18 16:08 BST (UK)  »
and this is all from just putting names in?

Sometimes you have to be creative with your search terms. I've used spelling variations of names, titles (e.g. Dr.), town names with surnames, addresses, street names, property names, business names, occupations with either surnames or town names, etc.

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