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Ireland / Re: Filling the gap in timeline
« on: Sunday 28 October 18 15:35 GMT (UK)  »
There were Sandfords living in that part Mayo, where they Married, Tax Collectors... this too also involved marking out holdings and measuring acreage, valuations etc

That's interesting Hallmark. Where did you find that information?

Ireland / Re: Filling the gap in timeline
« on: Sunday 28 October 18 15:17 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Elwyn,

I also have this document: listing the years each county was surveyed and that helps paint a picture of the area covered. Although, when trying to determine the couples next move after Mayo, it doesn't help since there are multiple locations being mapped after they married.

Like you said, he could have been working with the OS as a civilian or military. Then again, might not have been with them until he arrived in England as I have this info which would have him joining later:

Parliamentary Papers, House of Commons and Command, Volume 46
Published 1880
Period of service: 27 years
Retired at age 65. 

This record suggests he joined about 1853 but in the 1851 census, his occupation is listed as employed with the OS. So perhaps he was working with them in a more unofficial capacity until 1853. I know the OS was mapping Lancashire in the 1840's so perhaps that's why they came to England.

I'd have to think there were children in Ireland who died. The RCB library sounds like it could hold some answers. However, like you said, without knowing where they were born, it won't be much help until I do. I live in the States so I'm a bit challenged. This is number one on my bucket list! :)

Life would have been so much easier if my ancestors were farmers and stayed put. My other line was with the OS as well so I have the same problem with them!  :(

Ireland / Re: Filling the gap in timeline
« on: Sunday 28 October 18 14:28 GMT (UK)  »
Does it say born Caledon?  Or is that his address?

Hi Hallmark, these were the locations listed as place of birth in their 1871 census record in Rickmansworth.

Ireland / Re: Filling the gap in timeline
« on: Sunday 28 October 18 06:31 GMT (UK)  »
Unfortunately not. Just on marriage:

10 Apr 1837
Ougaval Parish, Mayo, Ireland
Witnesses: Samuel Flinn and Thomas Heastir from Cavan

Children I've located:

Mary Jane (died as child)
James (died as child)
Mary Ann
John Henry
William James

All born in England

Ireland / Re: Filling the gap in timeline
« on: Sunday 28 October 18 06:20 GMT (UK)  »
Church of Ireland from what I can tell.

Ireland / Filling the gap in timeline
« on: Sunday 28 October 18 05:32 GMT (UK)  »

I began this discussion in: RootsChat.Com England (Counties as in 1851-1901) England Lancashire (Moderators: sarah, JDGen) Parish Marriage Record - Flinn & Sandford

But it is truly an Irish genealogy question.

James Sandford and Ann Delaney were married in 1837 in in Mayo, Ireland. James was born in Caledon, Tyrone  and Ann in Castletown, Meath. The next record I have of them is in 1843 when their child Mary Jane Sandford was born in Preston, Lancashire and forward.

James worked for the Ordnance Survey Department so the family moved quite a bit.

I think he was involved with the OS in Ireland before moving to England but that's just a hunch. I haven't located either James or Ann's birth records and have found no births in Ireland for their children. The first is in England.

Can anyone suggest how a girl from Meath, married boy from Tyrone in Mayo and then had no children between 1837 and 1843? Where would you begin to find an answer?

Thanks for any suggestions!

Lancashire / Re: Parish Marriage Record - Flinn & Sandford
« on: Sunday 28 October 18 05:16 GMT (UK)  »
They certainly did! The other line I'm tracing were nomads too (Ordnance Survey) so it has made it quite interesting! Thanks for all your hard work. The gap between marriage date and first child bothers me as well. If I an fill that gap, I think I will learn a lot. Again, thanks so much for your time  :)


Hi --- Well the Sandford family certainly moved around in England!

I have now tracked them on the census records from 1851 - 1871 with certainty as a family unit.

I cannot find any children born to James and Ann in Ireland -- nor can I see any on GRO index before Jane who was born in Preston Lancs in 1845. (Having said that there are quite a few on GRO index with no mother's maiden name shown.)

It seems unusual to marry in 1837 and have no children until 1845 -- unless Ann lost some, OR James moved from Ireland with his job and Ann followed later (I haven't checked Scotland which is a possibility).

IF the Ann with Sarah and Bernard is the widow of James Sandford - then the only person with the correct birth year who died between 1871 and 1881 was a James Sandford who died in Sheffield Reg Dist in 1874. If it was him he doesn't appear to have left a will and with his job, you would have thought he would have done -- intelligent chap and used to paperwork!

Baptisms in Ireland in the early 1800s can be difficult to find -- I have looked for both James and Ann's baptisms without success. This doesn't mean they aren't there somewhere of course!

I have never found my own or my husband's Irish ancestors who were born before 1830.

Really sorry - but I am stuck at the moment - however I hope some super sleuth can step in and help you with this.

Good Luck with your hunt.

Lancashire / Re: Parish Marriage Record - Flinn & Sandford
« on: Sunday 28 October 18 05:13 GMT (UK)  »
I think you're right! I'll give that a shot, thank you!

XPess 4 --- have you tried going onto the Irish Board for your research into James Sandford and Ann Devaney? They are really helpful and knowledgeable on there about Irish researc

Lancashire / Re: Parish Marriage Record - Flinn & Sandford
« on: Sunday 28 October 18 05:12 GMT (UK)  »
You're right! Thanks for catching that. :)

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