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Quote from: Tgapitbull
... a great grandson.

Perfect. Swab him :-)

Tikva - third and last time... my apologies :-)

Regards
Beg

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Quote from: Tgapitbull
Last resort I have recently sent off a DNA test - fingers crossed!

Hi again TPB... you might already realise but in the search for your grandfather your DNA won't really help all that much.

Is there a direct male descendant of your grandfather who can take a test.

Regards
Beg

PS - Apologies again Tikva :-)

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Quote from: Tgapitbull
I am looking for the birth of my grandfather who was born on 28 April 1890.

Hello Tgapitbull...

I've just sent you two PMs - one a list of 29 male births registered on 28 Apr 1890, the other a list of 143 male births registered three days either side. These were found on the BDM NZ website using the method I described in my earlier reply.

For what it's worth, you may want to cross-reference the relevant BDM NZ microfiche and keep an eye out for annotations. I'm pretty sure the website is a subset of the fiche, not a substitute for.

Hope this helps.

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Hello Tikva...

Apologies for the thread hi-jack but it seemed the obvious place to post what is a roundabout answer to your original question, the answer being "Yes it is possible".

You can either leave this reply for future researchers with the same question or ask one of the mods to delete it to keep your thread tidy (but please not before Tgapitbull acknowledges this reply).

Either is fine by me.

Regards
Beg

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New Zealand Completed Requests / Re: Help with Marriage
« on: Sunday 26 January 20 04:36 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: Janette
And yet others are prepared to pile into foundblue by way of all these comments on this thread.
Double standards come to mind.

Hi Janette... not piling in to the original poster. Merely stating the fact that he broke the rules, more than likely through ignorance.

If by double standards you mean I've used the PM system to research the living... guilty as charged. Certainly don't do it nowadays.

I always feel a bit uneasy when people say "No one is breaking any of the rules by using the PM to [sp] commnicate" then are quiet when people proceed to use the PM system to break the rules.

Bit of a double standard.

Regards
Beg

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New Zealand Completed Requests / Re: Help with Marriage
« on: Sunday 26 January 20 04:27 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Minnie... interesting about the email address. I honestly can't remember the details as it was many years ago. It was just a natural reaction back then to put a face to an email address.  Anyway, good to see you keep real life and online life seperate.

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We'll have to agree to disagree :-)

In your eyes the end result of this thread is yet another successful reunion. The ends justify the means.

In my mind everyone either broke or was complicit in breaking the rules and the only one who called you all out has left the building.

Having said that, there are a million more things of importance happening in the world today. A mild online disagreement between friends "ain't worth a hill of beans in this crazy world" ... or something like that :-)

All the best
Beg

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New Zealand Completed Requests / Re: Help with Marriage
« on: Sunday 26 January 20 02:11 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: minniehaha
Ok, now shoot me! 

Hi Minnie... really hope I didn't offend you. I suspect I might have but it definitely ticked me off how everyone piled into SelDen for giving his/her thoughts on what was 110% a breach of Rootschat Terms and Conditions.

Quote from: foundblue
I have the surnames of the couple and believe they are both likely to still be alive.

4.1 As a user you agree not to do any of the following:
[...]
4.1.17 - Breach or request the breach of privacy of persons who are or may be living.

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/terms.php

Even our beloved leader gave the original poster a bit of a free pass (although admittedly he can read the PMs so knew what was going on behind the scenes).

There might be something in the T's & C's which says "it's okay to use the PM system to bypass our Terms and Conditions" but I couldn't find it. Maybe it's the bit about "in accordance with English law" so it doesn't apply to us honest kiwis.

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There's absolutely no doubt in my mind that the hundreds of people who are thankful to you and other rootschatters for your/their time and effort far outweigh the number of people that your efforts have caused to feel a bit creeped out, assuming there are any.

Speaking of creeping... quite a few years back you sent me an email about something. Just for fun I used your email address to find you in real life. It wasn't difficult. I just "used what's out there" and, as respect of personal privacy seems to be a thing of the past, I can now consider it "moving with the times".

Looking back it slightly upsets me that I did that... plus it now transpires I broke T&C 4.1.1 (no stalking).... ooops.... never mind. English law, so doesn't apply here in good old honest NZ.

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I still check the board most days and like to help out when I can. It's just I'm a lot more careful about what I get involved in.

As in life, just because I can do something doesn't mean I should do something.

Regards
Beg

PS - Had a chuckle at the "relative newcomer" line :-)




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New Zealand Completed Requests / Re: Help with Marriage
« on: Saturday 25 January 20 09:57 GMT (UK)  »
Hello... not to criticise (then proceeds to criticise) ... when reading the original post my immediate reaction was identical to SelDen. Red flags and a ten foot pole. I was really quite surprised to see our big guns pile into him/her.

Having had my immediate family as "persons of interest" in some stranger's search I can tell you it's a really creepy feeling.

Sometimes researchers don't seem to consider the consequences of their actions. What one person considers "helping", another person may consider as unwelcome and unasked for attention.

I'm now of the opinion the 100, 80 and 50 year rules on the BDM NZ website need to be considered before offering to help.

Admittedly it's a case of pot calling the kettle black as previously I've helped trace the living but nowadays, as for example this thread, it's an obvious nope.

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Speaking of the BDM website... if anyone's interested I still compile my lists. Just completed 1919B, 2019D and 1969D-updated. PM me if you'd like a copy.

Regards
Beg

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Quote from: Tikva
The date concerned is the 9th of July 1900, and this information was obtained from his death record. 

Hi again... just curious... is this the 1980 NGATA death record. If so, have you seen his Army service record on Archives NZ. It mentions his father.

Regards
Beg

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Quote from: Tikva
[...] a way to find the names of all Births on a specific date in New Zealand?

Hello... expanding Twiggy and Spades' earlier suggestions gives a fairly straightforward way of doing what you want, namely ***searching the BDM website by date. The main problem is that it's extremely time-consuming.

Having said that, I've done it a few times. Mixed success but my latest attempt did break a thirty year old brick wall, so never say never.

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What's more pertinent to your search is mentioned by Janette. Pre-1913 registering of Maori births was optional.

According to the NZ Yearbook, even in the first year of compulsory registration (1913) there were still 17 Maori births registered under the (optional) main Act from a population base of 56,000-ish Maori.

In 1900, when the population base was 43,000-ish, registering under the (optional) main Act was all that was available. The number of Maori parents who chose to register wasn't recorded but you would suspect it to be just as low as 1913 if not lower, if not zero, although I have no proof of that.

My uneducated guess is that there will be no official birth record for you to find.

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For what it's worth, if you want to put up the names of the child and/or parents I can search a list of 1900 births and see if they, or variants, are mentioned.

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*** Searching the BDM website by date involves a combination of searching by "Registration Number" (e.g 1900/000001, then 1900/000002 [and so on] then 1900/29999, then 1900/30000) at the same time limiting the "Search From" and "Search To" to a specific date or dates (e.g Search From:2/7/1900, Search To:16/7/1900).

In this example there will be 30,000 individual search requests sent to the BDM website but the website will only return results for births which occur between the 2nd and the 16th of July 1900.

An extremely repetitive and time-consuming process but fortunately there is software which automates the search. I use the free version of UI.Vision RPA (formerly Kantu). There is also iMacros although last time I looked you needed to purchase a licence to use it fully.


Regards
Beg

EDIT: For anyone thinking the "muliple-search-request" method is abusing the BDM website... it would be incredibly easy for BDM NZ to implement a "wildcard" search option. Or a search by partial name or by date or by field. I gave up asking them several years ago.

EDIT 2: For this search to succeed the Registration Number needs to have a 1900 prefix

e.g 1900/XXXXXX

If the birth was a late registration with, for example, a 1901 prefix it would not be found... bit of a nuisance.

You could then do a 1901 births search requesting another 30,000 searches... but what if the birth was registered in 1902 ... and so on.

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