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Hi,

There is an excellent website www.kirkyards.co.uk that has several of the parish's online in that area with the Monument inscriptions and also photgraphs of the gravestones. I was amazed to find by chance an MI for some relatives in Buittle Churchyard so I hope you are as lucky

Peter

I wonder if anybody can help.

My Great Aunt Lilian HANNAH who died 30th November 1967 was buried in Grave 36 Line 1 with the following inscription "Also Lilian their youngest daughter born 10th December 1883 Died November 30th 1967"

I have not seen the grave so do not know it's condition but I imagine both her parents, Nathan HANNAH who died 6th May 1915 and Elizabeth HANNAH who died 15th February 1924 would be buried there based on the above inscription.

However I  would like to know if anybody else is buried in the grave as I am trying to trace their two sons Frank HANNAH (born 1874) and Nathaniel John HANNAH (born 1880).One of them certainly died before the 1911 census as at that time the number of live children is shown as 6 (with 7 births)

Many Thanks
Peter

Hi Carole

Many thanks for your reply. I had hoped not to write a long complicated reply but there are several facts that make it difficult to put the pieces together. Like you I was of the opinion that they all might be living with their grandparents in 1841 in view of the age difference of Naomi, Lois and William compared with John and Mary. The following is what I know

24 Oct 1815 – John Turney of St Albans marries Mary Ann Archer at St George Hanover Square (parish Records) – Is this the parents marriage??

20th April 1817 – Naomi Turney Christened, St Albans, Father John Turney, Mother Mary Ann (IGI)

14th March 1819 – Lois Turney Christened, St Michaels, St Albans, Father John Turney, Mother Mary Ann (IGI)

c1823  – William Archer Turney born – no trace of christening on internet - ? require  HALS lookup

1841 Census – Leverstock Green
John              Turney                75 Ag Lab
Mary Ann   Turney   65
Naomi   Turney   20 Milliner
Lois   Turney   20 Milliner
William   Turney   15 Pipemaker app
Charlotte    Dighton   35
George   Greenhill   30 Carver/Gilder

31st July 1841 – Naomi Turney marries George Greenhill – St Marylebone - shows her Father as John Turney - Farmer (marriage Cert)

1st December 1843 – death of John Turney of Leverstock Green - farmers Labourer  age 78 – probably the correct one (death cert)

8th May 1845 –William Archer Turney marries Emily Crouch, St Mary’s, Luton, shows his Father as John Turney – Farmer (marriage Cert)

9th Oct 1845 – Lois Turney marries Charles Boulton, St Michaels, shows her Father as John Turney - Farmer (marriage Cert)

1851 Census Norfolk St, Marylebone
 Naomi Greenhill (shown as Maria on census !) and family living in London with Mary Anne Turney who is described  as a Widow and the Mother-in-Law of the head who is George Greenhill her age is 74.

1851 Census 53 London Road Eastwickham
 Naomi Greenhill 5 year old daughter of Naomi Greenhill (Turney) is described as Niece  staying with  Zilpah Dover MAYSEY age 46.

Zilpah was Christened - 18 March 1804 St Peters, St Albans as Zilpah Dover ARCHER father William ARCHER mother Sarah (IGI)

 This seems to llink the ARCHER name - is Zilpah the sister of Naomi and Lois’s mother Mary Ann mentioned in the Christening extracts??  William may or may not have the same mother?

1861 Census 20 Egerton St , Hulme
 Naomi Greenhill (now shown as Lavinia on census!) and family now living in Manchester with Widowed Mother-in-Law Mary Anne Turney who is shown as age 38 (not possible!!)

23rd February 1866 – Death of Mary Anne Turney at 20 Egerton St, Hulme AGE 96 but the husband’s name is shown as WILLIAM  on the death cert. This would indicate if correct that John Turney in the 1841 census was not the husband of Mary Ann. The age also has jumped from previous indications, but it is definitely the correct Mary Ann as she is living with her daughter Naomi at the Manchester address shown on the certificate..

 1866 – Death of William Archer Turney age 43 in Aylesbury where he moved after his marriage.

Having summarised all this what I am trying to find out is who are the parents of Naomi, Lois and William and did they both die before the 1841 census or is John the father and the Mary Ann at the christenings of Naomi and Lois the mother who died before 1841.

I would be grateful for any suggestions or help to unravel this. William Archer Turney is my great great Grandfather.

Many Thanks

Peter

Hi,

Can anyone help please. I have extracted from Ancestry the following Pallott Marriage Index information regarding the marriage of Mary Ann Archer:-

ARCHER Mary Ann.w. = John Turney (of St albans) b.  Lic.

P R St Geo H Sq 1815

Does the the w mean she was a widow and if so is the surname her maiden name or her previous married name.

Does the b after his name mean bachelor ?

Would there be any further information regardingthe marriage in the parish register of St George Hanover Square.

Many Thanks
Peter