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England / Lost in 1841 between Kendal and Liverpool
« on: Wednesday 31 January 18 22:06 GMT (UK)  »
Hi,

Mary Ellen Coulton was born in Kendal in 1823 to George Coulton, a heavy drinking shoemaker who was often in trouble with the law, and Mary Derome, a Roman Catholic who converted her husband to the faith.

In 1842 Mary Ellen (going by Ellen, as she did for most of her life) is living on Dale Street in Liverpool. She marries Thomas Moore, a shoemaker, and moves out to Crosby with him where she appears in the 1851 and 1861 censuses before her death in 1870.

Her parents remained in Kendal throughout the various censuses. She only had one sibling who reached adulthood, and he remained there, too.

So.... Where is she in 1841? Can't find her on any Liverpool census returns at all. Or Kendal ones. Please help!!

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Lancashire / Liverpool shoe shop c1810s-40s?
« on: Tuesday 30 January 18 20:53 GMT (UK)  »
Hi!

Family legend dictates that, as well as being shoemakers, two of my father and son ancestors also operated a shoe shop somewhere in Liverpool, possibly Dale Street. I've got all of their details from censuses, burial records, marriage and baptism records, but have never found any details of a shop. Does anyone have access to any Trade directories of the time?

The family's movements are shown below:

C1793 John Moore born.
1813 John Moore, now a cordwainer, marries at St. James' Church, Toxteth. He is 'of the parish' of Walton on the Hill
1815 John is a shoemaker in West Derby when his son, Thomas, is baptised there at St. Mary's Church
1817 John is still a shoemaker. The family are now living in Fazakerley but return to St. Mary's to baptise their daughter, Mary
1834 John, still a shoemaker, dies. He had been living in Thornton and is buried in Sefton
1839 Daughter Mary can be found living on Bostock Street in Liverpool when she married. A child is born to Mary and her husband out in Sefton later that year.
1841 Both John's children are now in Sefton Village at the same address. Thomas is a shoemaker.
1842 Thomas is a shoemaker living on Bostock Street in Liverpool when he marries Ellen of Dale Street at St. Nicholas Church
1843 Thomas is a cordwainer in Great Crosby when his son is baptised there at St. Luke's
1845 Thomas remains in Great Crosby when his second son is baptised. First at Sefton, and then again a few months later at St. Luke's.
1848 still a Great Crosby cordwainer when daughter baptised at St. Lukes
1851 still a Great Crosby shoemaker when son baptised at the same place. The census of this year has the family in Great Crosby village
1854 now living in Waterloo, but still a shoemaker, and still baptised this final child at St. Luke's. Interestingly, the baptism takes place six months after the birth
1856 Thomas, a 'boot and shoemaker' dies in Great Crosby

And that's that. None of his children became shoemakers. Did he ever have a shop? Is the story true? Any help gratefully appreciated!

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England / Re: Tracking down two English lawyers born to an Irishman
« on: Monday 25 July 16 14:18 BST (UK)  »
Hi all,

  His father's name was indeed Michael. And his mother was Ellen.

  The original note on James' family does state the sons were "attorneys" rather than lawyers. I thought it just an Americanism that had swept in. I see now it must just be very specific.

What is the difference between an attorney and country attorney? Where might I find the index of surnames? Anyone?

Yes, Liverpool is the first place I'm searching. Well, it's whatever turns up on censuses really, but it has a fair few Donoghues in the censuses. Just not anything that ties in with the story.

Re: his sister in law, I have no idea. If it's the wife of a brother, then there are two. But they lived in the same area and we know a lot about them. Never a mention of a brother in law imposing himself. If it's his ex-wife's sister, then I know nothing about anything with regards to that!

And yes, the post linked to *is* the same family, I've just received new evidence in the last 12 years that stops me assuming that the James I noted in that article is the James I'm looking for.

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England / Re: James Donohue and family in censuses 1871 onwards...
« on: Monday 25 July 16 14:12 BST (UK)  »
Heywood, I cannot find James in either the 1901 or 1911 censuses. I do not know when he died and have no records at all for him following his own baptism.

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England / Re: James Donohue and family in censuses 1871 onwards...
« on: Monday 25 July 16 14:11 BST (UK)  »
Yes, that is the James in question. That post was written by a much younger me (12 years ago!) with less access to sources. I do not believe that "James went to Kirkdale, Liverpool (I believe) and married, but left his family before 1881. One son was a lawyer, one daughter married Mr. Carr and lived in Birmingham" is correct any more.

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England / James Donohue and family in censuses 1871 onwards...
« on: Monday 25 July 16 11:49 BST (UK)  »
James Donohue - whose parents and family were farm labourers - was born in 1845 in Bellevue (near Nenagh), Tipperary and apparently moved to England where he married and had at least two children - two sons (who later grew up to be lawyers). Their names may well come from James' own family, suggesting Michael, William or Edward might be among them.

James later apparently left his family and returned home to Ireland where he lived out his days. His sons remained in England.

This is what was told later by his niece and great-niece. However, I have never seen any records relating to him following his 1845 baptism. Can anyone locate any possibilities on UK censuses?

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England / Tracking down two English lawyers born to an Irishman
« on: Thursday 21 July 16 14:49 BST (UK)  »
I'm wondering if anyone can help with this odd search.

My Grandad's Uncle was one James Donohue, born in Lisquillibeen in North Tipperary, Ireland, and who moved slightly North to Belleview with his family as a boy. He was baptised 14th March 1845. He never appears in any family records or as a godparent to any of his nephews/neices suggesting he may have left Ireland quite early on. However, a note written by his great niece - the family historian - many years later (around 1990), and shortly before her death, states that;

"James Donohue went to England. I know he had two boys because they befriended someone I know. Somwhere they were attorneys. He left his wife and family came back to be a burden on his sister in law."

Now, I've never been able to locate a death record in the Tipperary area for James, but I assume he must appear on one or two English censuses. Also, are there lists of attorneys/lawyers from the early/mid 1900s? Can anyone point me in the right direction on trying to solve this tricky conundrum...?


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Immigrants & Emigrants - General / Re: Lost 'Young' Family from Tipperary
« on: Wednesday 20 July 16 14:44 BST (UK)  »
Thanks!

  Frustrating that John's parents are merely "both dead". I have the marriage of John and Mary Hogan, but was just wondering what happened to them after they went to Australia. I know some states record the names of the parents when they die. I was wondering if this was done for either John or Mary. I'm trying to connect them to my own great, great grandmother, Ellen Young who was "of Finnoe" which is the neighbouring townland to Borrisokane (home of John Young) and also Kylemadaun (home of David and Simon Young, as mentioned in my earlier post). I really want to tie the four together...somehow!

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Immigrants & Emigrants - General / Re: Lost 'Young' Family from Tipperary
« on: Tuesday 19 July 16 13:15 BST (UK)  »
Maggsie,

  Thanks for the info. You say David Young was "paying his due" in Ballygibbon. You mean the Tithe returns?

  The John Young thing is verrrry interesting. John went to Australia in 1841? What information is there on this? A migration/shipping record? Is there any info on him once he went to Australia? i.e. does his death record feature his parents' names (as many Aussie records do)?

  Best regards,

    Stephen

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