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Armagh / Re: ORR's Mullabrack/Armagh
« on: Saturday 05 March 22 02:31 GMT (UK)  »
Again, thank you all lots for the info given. Eileen your quite right in saying that Mary in the Griffiths valuation could be either the mother of william married in 1853 or nothing to do with me. I got an enhanced death view of Mary in the valuation the enhanced view I have states that the mary in the valuation was widowed, aged 82 and place of death Armagh. The registration details are as follows.....D/1871/14/1002/3/39.Richill. Her death is registered as being on the 14thNovember.Its so frustrating as I feel as if I am going in the right direction but dont know what or where to go to find out how to prove either way if she was Williams mother.At least I know it cant be williams wife. That brings up another question which I will have to look at at a later date. Where did she live between 1861 and 1864 when she left for New Zealand.Im picking she stayed on the Orr farm with her three children.
Message for Aghadowy: The death you found of Mary in Richill further down this page I take it it is the one in the valuation??. Again I am grasping at straws when I see that the informant is a James Orr so if she is mine this James maybe a sibling to my william marrying in 1853.
About going about things in the wrong way. I started here in NZ and worked backwards. William and Mary who married in 1853 and had three children are all buried in a family plot in New Plymouth here in NZ.There is very scant info. Believe me when I say I have worked backwards and have all info pertaining to when they lived in NZ
In the family plot it says that williams  mother was a Mary Quin/nn. Thats why when I found the marriage of a William Orr in 1810 to a Mary Quin/nn in the parish of Mullabrack I got a bit excited as I thought maybe they were williams (married in 1853) parents.I have got all information on william and mary (married 1853) and what happened to each of the children. Everything is correct from this end.William had to ask permission to have his wife join him here in NZ and I have a copy of when she arrived on the "blue Duck" in 1864. Its going backwards into Ireland that I am having trouble with. Nothing anywhere that we have speaks of his parents (william marrying in1853) except the bit on the family plot.By the by william and mary had another child here, a girl who contracted TB through her mothers milk as mary her mother had TB.She lived only a year. Hope this helps a bit further.

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Armagh / Re: ORR's Mullabrack/Armagh
« on: Friday 04 March 22 04:37 GMT (UK)  »
Ok,
Mainly for Eileen. The marriage of William (possible middle name John) Orr and Mary (no middle name) in 1853 are the two I am working on.They had three children all born in Armagh Mullabrack, they are as follows:
John William b. 1858 mullabrack
Mary Ann b. 1854 as above
Thomas b. 1861 as above
I do not have any birth certs as Im told I wont be able to get them.William above was the one who came to NZ for gold mining but left that and joined the military settlers war against maori. He was promised one acre in town and fifty acres in rural area in liu of wages.I am looking for his parents back in Ireland and have found a William Orr marrying a Mary Quin/nn in 1810 2nd August Mullabrack.the curate was a william Barker.Because of the fire that happened I am told many records were burnt making it hard to find anyone.Getting back to the William married in 1853 his father was also william and a farmer. I would like to know if the Mary in the griffths valuation 1863 was my Mary and mother to William who married in 1853. By that time, if she is mine, because she was a widow by then had  her husband also been a  William  (father to the one in the 1853 marriage) .All boiled down I am hoping to find out the parents of the William married in 1853 and maybe his siblings and which cemetery might they be buried in. I hope this is clearer

Carol Orr/NZ

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Armagh / Re: ORR's Mullabrack/Armagh
« on: Friday 04 March 22 03:56 GMT (UK)  »
Original query is for a William Orr and a Mary Toal married in 1853 who later went out to New Zealand as outlined by original poster.

Thank you Eileen
carol orr

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Armagh / Re: ORR's Mullabrack/Armagh
« on: Friday 04 March 22 00:16 GMT (UK)  »
Hi,
First thanks lots for your reply however I should have mentioned that I did have that valuation and it looks like it could be my Mary, however as you know with genealogy one must prove as much as one can that the person is yours. I also think I have the copy of her death got from irish free records but it tells me nothing except again it could be mine as age definitely fits. For fear of being greedy I might have to put another request on for any info regarding where she maybe buried. I have been led to believe that she maybe in a very old cemetery in the area.Also possibly buried with or near her husband William who it looks like has died before her as she is a widow. Her son I speak of in my query came to NZ after 1861 as that is the time his last son was born.His wife came out in 1864. There are so many questions to ask hence asking for help. All I need is a little thread then hopefully I can run with it. Where did Mary (the wife who came out here in 1864 for instance where did she live until 1864 was it on the Orr farm, apparently the Orr,s were fairly well off. Once again thank you for your time answering, your answer had a wee bit more than the valuation I have.

Carol Orr/NZ

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Armagh / ORR's Mullabrack/Armagh
« on: Thursday 24 February 22 22:42 GMT (UK)  »
Hello
I have been on this message board many years ago and thought I will try it again as I am still with my brick wall. I am still looking for parents, birth or anything that pertains to my query. Because of the great fire records were lost, however I have been told I must now try parish records as  some originals will/might be able to be found.Here goes.
I have a William Orr marrying a Mary Toal on the 21st of April 1853 in the parish church of Mullabrack Armagh. He was 37 years old so his birth would be around 1816 (so many years each side).The Orr's lived in and around this area. I also have an 1810 marriage of a William orr marrying a Mary Quin/quinn in the same area. I have been led to believe these maybe my william's parent. On the marriage cert above William's father is also William and is a farmer. His wife Mary's father was Alex Toal a labourer possibly on the Orr farm. I have everything going forward and have spent lots of time trying to find any little scrap going backwards.Please if there is anyone who maybe has access to parish records can I ask for your help.Anything woud be very much appreciated.
I have no siblings for William marrying Mary Toal. Feel free to ask me any question if I have left anything out that might help. Fingers very much crossed.

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Australia / Re: Elizabeth RENWICK
« on: Tuesday 11 September 18 21:43 BST (UK)  »
Did John and Elizabeth go to NZ?

Jamjar


As far as I know NO. I have had a go at trying to find them here. It seems like they were a ghost family. I definitely think originally John and Elizabeth went to Australia because of a better life and the goldfields were a good start. As I said in my earlier message I was told by family "rumours" that four of the children went to NZ and four stayed in Australia. I only found James because he was the father of Hubert McGovern who was born here in NZ and was the grandfather of my son in law who is a McGovern. I have done alright here in NZ re the family but the further I get back the harder it is  lol but that's genealogy and I love it.Another "family rumour" is that the sister of my son in law went back to Ireland and found some graves in Tipperary (Cork) and again I cant find anything on McGoverns in Tipperary. And again another rumour is that James was born at sea which if it was over half way don't the babies get registered as being born in the country they are going to. It has been suggested that maybe he wasn't even registered at all, but even if that is true surely there would still be info somewhere on his parents being in Australia. ??? ??? ???

Popsit

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Australia / Re: Elizabeth RENWICK
« on: Tuesday 11 September 18 11:30 BST (UK)  »
Hi again, thank you for all your replies, to Jamjar, in answer to your query saying it would be nice to know who I thought she was. I am actually researching the name McGovern. John McGovern's wife was Elizabeth Renwick. I thought she was alone on the Marco Polo hence my asking about her, however I have now been told that John and Elizabeth both came to Australia from Ireland (possibly County cork in Tipperary). They had several children. I cannot find them anywhere in Australia. I do have info on one of their sons, James McGovern who says he was born in Geelong on his marriage cert. here in NZ and on his death cert it says Melbourne. His father was a miner so I guess he went to Australia for the goldfields. James was born 1862/3. He eventually came to NZ to our goldfields and at the age of 23 married a Mary Carr.

Getting back to John and Elizabeth McGovern (nee Renwick), Now I know that the Elizabeth I was initially asking about is not mine can I now be permitted to ask for John and Elizabeth and if anyone can find them. They were catholics. The years would be of course before 1863. Others who have helped me cant find them either.If John went for the goldfields the family would go with him to the goldfields yes??? I don't suppose there would be a database of miners obtaining licenses would there. Again thank you for any help or advice and thanks for all the other people who took the time to send me what they found.
P.S. I don't know the names of the other children but I do know that four came to NZ and four stayed in Australia.

Popsit/NZ

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Australia / Elizabeth RENWICK
« on: Tuesday 11 September 18 05:21 BST (UK)  »
Hello,
I have details of a ship arriving in Australia (victoria) with a passenger named Elizabeth Renwick. She is aged 38 on the ship Marco Polo in September 1852. Other info I have that might be of help or not is book 8 page 180.I am looking for more info on her if possible. Where from, who she might have married once in Australia etc. Any info at all will be very much appreciated. Thank you.

popsit/NZ

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Armagh / Re: death details
« on: Wednesday 15 August 18 20:48 BST (UK)  »
Okay for fear of sending you to scream into a pillow or tear your hair out, how do I buy a photocopy only of the death and how many credits will it take. I keep getting mixed up between Proni and Groni. Although I said I would wait till Nov. I do have the credits sitting there so may as well use them if I have enough. Thank you for your patience.   Popsit

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