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The Common Room / Re: Coincidences
« on: Monday 13 August 18 17:46 BST (UK)  »
I haven't found the one in Colchester yet,but are you sure it wasn't just the banns being read in both their home parishes?

I agree this is a very likely explanation for two apparent marriages of the same couple (i.e. the same bride and groom name) on the same date in two different places.  Some of the online websites FamilySearch etc, do not properly identify the records they are showing you, with banns described as marriages. 

This is also the reason you often see the same couple apparently getting married on two different dates close together, one is the banns record and one is the actual wedding.

Technical Help / Re: Familysearch not working
« on: Monday 13 August 18 09:23 BST (UK)  »
I also had the same issue just a few minutes ago, but it seems to be working again now.

The Lighter Side / Re: Why change the name?
« on: Sunday 12 August 18 10:39 BST (UK)  »
The recorded fact you seem to be giving us is that all the church records for the family members were Wildman up to a certain date and then were all Wileman.  Relatively few people were literate at that date and effectively the spelling of someone's name was determined by the clergyman - unless the family member was confident enough to correct the man of God.

So I suspect the change coincides with a change of incumbent.  Could it be that the population had long been used to pronouncing the name as Wileman, the previous vicar interpreted it as Wildman based on earlier records, and the new one took a different view and spelled the name as he heard the locals sound it.

Europe / Re: Need Help Translating Possibly Hebrew/Yiddish Handwriting
« on: Saturday 04 August 18 20:41 BST (UK)  »
When I saw this I also thought it's a shorthand - partly because of the very emphasised commas and semi-colons.  Also the number of horizontal strokes which remind me of shorthand, as well a the long u-shaped symbol at the right end of the second line which looks somehow familiar.

Also it does not look like a right-to-left writing which rules out Hebrew/Yiddish as well as Arabic.

Of course it could be a non-English shorthand which would make identification more complicated.

The Common Room / Re: Rural Sanitation Districts
« on: Wednesday 01 August 18 09:38 BST (UK)  »
Stan, that seems a very likely explanation for what Sandra has described. 

I think it's fairly common to find an image of a census page with the headings left uncompleted. After all, the enumerator would be submitting the whole parish or other unit as a whole with a covering schedule too which would list the parish, ward etc.

The way I would work out where the page came from, if I had one of those images,  would be to do a search on Anc*y or FmyP for one of the names, and when I re-find the same page, either look at the "transcription" for the entries, or to scroll back (or forward?) page by page until I found the missing information.  Family Search should also give the address for the census record (depending on which year).

The Common Room / Re: The use of "widow" spelling for a man
« on: Friday 27 July 18 20:57 BST (UK)  »
Well we have quite a few examples of a man being described as a "widow" not "widower" . 

But the original question was about the phrase "the widow Munro" and to be honest I can't imagine this could refer to a man - unless someone knows different.

To refer to a woman purely in terms of their relationship with their husband was common.  Once married she was the wife of [say Joseph] Munro, her identity as an individual and name being discarded by society in favour of her new identity as a man's wife.  So after his death, she became known as "the widow Munro", probably few people knew her actual name.

So for a man who lost his wife, I can't see the same applying.  His identity had always been intact, he was Joseph or whatever Munro, a landowner or a shoemaker or a farm worker, he'd never been known principally by his marital condition, so why would he given a new " name" as "widow" after her death?

Durham / Re: William Collinson in 1911 - quick lookup please
« on: Friday 20 July 18 03:23 BST (UK)  »
Use FamilySearch and see if it has the census info you need.  It's free but you can Abe to register /log in.

Durham / Re: William Collinson in 1911 - quick lookup please
« on: Friday 20 July 18 03:23 BST (UK)  »
Use FamilySearch and see if it has the census info you need.  It's free but you can Abe to register /log in.

Staffordshire / Re: occupation on census - legibility
« on: Monday 16 July 18 13:34 BST (UK)  »
Despite being very grown up, and enjoying sophisticated humour, and having been to the Potteries and having been to a Pottery Museum I still think Saggar Maker's Bottom Knocker is the funniest job title of all time

But it does sound like a very tedious job, just knocking bottoms all day for just a few pennies, probably standing up unless the Saggar Maker said it was OK to sit.  And worse knowing you'd never earn enough to have a Sagger of your own (and no I don't know what one is).

And then one day the bottom went out of the market.

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