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Thanks
The family lived in the Leith area.
So, because it has the Princes Street address, the photo is probably after 1902, and before the Leith Walk address closed in 1904,
So probably between 1902 and 1904.
Not sure if the clothing experts will help narrow it further.

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Thanks.
Next to name of photographer it has 2 addresses. - 130 Princes Street and 163 Leith Walk. Not sure how that might tie in with the dates you mention

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Hi
Just wondering if someone with expert knowledge of historical fashion of women's clothing might help date this image.

From the names on the back of the image, this is Isabella Stobie born 1881 and her sister Amelia born 1886

Photographers are "Harper and Smellie" of Leith Walk, Edinburgh

My best guess is circa 1905, from how they look in terms of ages,  but maybe the ladies fashion will help give a better date

Thanks


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World War One / Re: Uniform WW1 or WW2 ?
« on: Thursday 23 March 23 13:09 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you.

If the solo photo is WW1, then he would have been 34 at the start of the war, already married over 12 years and with 6 children by then. He was Scottish, but I can find no record of his WW1 service on Ancestry, possibly because he had such  a common name', but have messaged someone on Ancestry  to see if he knows any more. The only image I have seen of him is as a much older man, and this photo could be him aged 34.

The 'family photo' is supposed to be Peter, wife,  and child.
Peter served 1914 - 1920, a Private in the  2nd Kings Own Scottish Borderers
Married 1916, but first child not until 1924. Unless there was an earlier daughter we do not know about

Peter's brother Thomas looked so much like him they could have been twins.
Thomas served 1915 - 1919 Lance Corporal Seaforth Highlanders, and finally Acting Sergeant RAMC
Married 1917 and first child a son 1921

Again I think the photo is mislabelled and the mystery is who is the little girl?

Thanks again for your comments







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World War One / Re: Uniform WW1 or WW2 ?
« on: Thursday 23 March 23 11:45 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you all.

The problem with the solo photo was whether it was of the father in WW1 or  his son in WW2. The name written on the back of the photo was the son. I think whoever wrote that must have made a mistake.

The problem with the other photo is that it is supposed to be of Peter with wife and child and the image looks like WW1 or just after. But his only  daughter was not born till 1928. She looks 3 or 4 in the photo, and  I doubt a man would dress in his WW1 uniform for a photo in 1932.  Peter looks really very similar to his brother Tom who also married just after WW1 but he never had a daughter.

So, perhaps I need to search to see if Peter's wife already had a daughter when he married her. Although she was unmarried and not a widow at the time of marriage.

Thanks for your help


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World War One / Uniform WW1 or WW2 ?
« on: Thursday 23 March 23 10:03 GMT (UK)  »
Hi

Just wondering if someone with expert knowledge can tell from the uniforms in two photographs whether  the uniforms are WW1 or WW2. 

The soldier on his own is George.  The soldier with his family Peter.

I hope I have posted correctly and the images are attached.

Thanks

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The Common Room / Re: Where to find records for merchant navy, early 1800s?
« on: Monday 13 March 23 14:38 GMT (UK)  »
I am not sure if this will be of any help, but I have the same issue with an ancestor from the 1840s who was a sailmaker on sailing ships

If you are in UK, then I think it helps if you know whether Royal Navy or Merchant Navy.

Ancestry seem to have some docoments of people who were apprenticed in the Merchant Navy in early 19th century

I looked at  CLIP  on crewlist.org.uk and rmg.co.uk (Greenich Maritime Museum) and National Archives in Kew,  but I just got confused

Different resources seem to be held in different places, and it depends on the dates, and for some,  you need to know not only the name of the Merchant ship but also its unique registration number.

The person in my tree is from the Shetland Isles and I am hoping that the Shetland Archives may have some information.

Good luck. I will be very interested to see if you get a better informed response than mine from someone with experience searching.

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Leitrim / Re: Leitrim - 1833 Parish Records - Gallagher
« on: Friday 10 March 23 22:44 GMT (UK)  »
To ciderdrinker, heywood, Kiltaglassan, and Dundee,

Thank you all  for your interest and responses.  :)

Elizabeth/Bridget Laurenson ms Gallacher seems to have died between 1891 and 1900, from information given on the marriage or death records of her children. The death in Bressay in 1866 is not her.  Actually, the surname Laurenson is quite common in Shetland  and there seem to have been a number of quite large families with that surname.

I did not want to make the initial post too long, but as some of you have already noticed there is an error in the 1861 Census with the name of the youngest child who appears as Jessie A aged 6 months born Leith. Actually 'Jessie' or Janet A was born in 1858 Lerwick Shetland and would have been age 3 in the 1861 Census. However, a younger sibling Margaret Jean was born in Sep 1860 in South Leith and so that is who actually was the 6 month old child. Quite where the real Jessie A was staying is a little mystery.

As ciderdrinker mentioned in terms of searchng in Leitrim records for Bridget/Elizabeth's baptism it is unfortunate that we do not have names for her parents.

Sometimes, it is possible to guess the names because of a 19th Century Scottish naming tradition. However, Robert and Bridget/Elizabeth do not seem to have followed that.

The children were Robert James b 1852, Laurence Nicol b1854, Bridget Elizabeth b1856, Janet Ann b1858, Margaret Jean b1860, John Peter b1862, and James William b1864. 

Their father,  Robert Laurenson (1825-1899) was the son of Nicol and Janet Laurenson. 

I do not know if the Louisiana Marriage record in 1852 of Robert Laurenson and Bridget Gallagher might have the names of her parents. I am trying to find out how to access a copy of any marriage certificate

Ciderdrinker is correct that the last time Bridget/Elizabeth ms Gallagher appears in records is 1864 but actually  when she registered the death and burial of her infant son James William who had been born in Aug 1864. He died in Nov 1864, of 'marasmus' , essentially malnutrition or starvation.

However, 'the plot thickens'...Part of the explanation for the infant's cause of death, may be that from a Newspaper Report we know that  in late Sept 1864, Bridget/Elizabeth, in the context of a serious and violent domestic disturbance  with husband Robert Laurenson, and while calling for help,  fell  out of a window 3 storeys up. She sustained injuries and concussion and was hospitalised, but I don't know for how long. She was probably no longer able to breast feed her child for some time which almost certainly contributed to his tragic death. Her husband was arrested and we are trying to find out if there was a prosecution...did she fall or was she pushed ? It was she who registered the death of her baby son in Nov 1864

By the 1871 Census her two eldest sons Robert and Laurence were most probably at sea, her daughters Bridget and Jessie were in Domestic Service in Shetland,  John Peter had died in Shetland in 1868 and in 1871 Margaret Jean was staying with her paternal grandmother and aunt on Shetland....but I don't know where Bridget/Elizabeth ms Gallagher was.

There is a possibility that she was in Shetland in 1873, because there is a record of allegations of theft of clothing by Robert Laurenson made against his 'ex-wife' Bridget Gallagher. I am waiting for more details.

Anyway, sorry this has been a long post, and thanks for your interest

Morris





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Leitrim / Leitrim - 1833 Parish Records - Gallagher
« on: Thursday 09 March 23 17:21 GMT (UK)  »
Hi

I am wondering if someone more experienced or familiar with the available records might be kind enough to help me search for a record of a baptism or christening of someone born circa 1833 in Leitrim, although I don't know anything more specific  in terms of place than the name of the county.

A woman who used the names Bridget,  but also sometimes Elizabeth Gallacher/Gallagher gave Leitrim as  her place of birth in the 1861 Census in Scotland.

On Ancestry,  the handwriting on the Census return was scanned /transcribed as Latimer, and it is on several individual Family Trees there.  However, from what I can tell,  there is no town or village in Ireland called Latimer.

On the scotlandspeople website looking at the original Census return, from the handwriting ,which is difficult to read, it could be Leitrim

Bridget / Elizabeth Gallagher born about 1833, had emigrated circa 1850 to New Orleans in Louisiana USA and there in 1852  married a  Robert Laurenson, a Mariner from Shetland Isles in Scotland. Subsequently she lived in Scotland

I would be grateful for any help or advice trying to find any record of her in Leitrim

Kind Regards

Morris


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