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Quote from: Puffin81 on Saturday 16 February 19 21:11 GMT (UK)

I’ve noticed in a lot of my Irish traveler family’s that names are recycled, not just naming after a parent but also, if a child dies another is given the same name, a practice that seems strange today.

Is this something that happened in traveler family’s?  If so was there a reason?

I’ve noticed A lot of janes, johns, James, Margaret and Mary Mary Ann’s too.  I did wonder if the recycled names started off as mary-Ann, Mary-Jane in some cases but then got shortened.

This happened on the European mainland aswell.  It was important to earlier generations that ancestors names were honoured and carried on. Thus, as the first born baby boy would be named after its paternal grandfather, you will realise the significance of any younger baby carrying the name.  Where there are two given names I find that families vary on the one they choose to use every day,  for instance "Mary Ann" might be "Annie".  When Mary Ann is a child on a census you'll probably see "Mary"" then when married in some instances if you can't find a maried Mary - look for Ann/Annie.

I have one set of Welsh parents that named their first daughter Mary.  Mary died and her replacement was Mary Ann, poor little Mary Ann died and the replacement was named Maria Mary Ann.

As for the given names that often appear in your ancestors, you'll notice they are all mostly mentioned in the bible and if you surf you'll find they have a meaning.  As for William, I'm assuming (rightly or wrongly) that it was introduced into a family when William the Conqueror arrived on these shores 1066.

In case you can't locate the usual naming pattern here it is:-

The traditional patterns used when naming boys were as follows:

    The first son would be named after the father's father (variation is after the mother's father especially if he's rich)
    The second after the mother's father (variation is the father's father)
    The third son would be named after the father
    The fourth son would be named after the father's oldest brother (variation is after the father's paternal grandfather)
    The fifth son would be named after the mother's oldest brother (variation is after the mother's paternal grandfather)

and for girls:

    First daughter named after the mother's mother (variation is after the father's mother)
    Second daughter named after the father's mother
    Third daughter named after the mother
    Fourth daughter named after the mother's oldest sister (variation is after the mother's maternal grandmother)
    Fifth daughter named after the father's oldest sister (variation is after the father's maternal grandmother)

Quote from: Puffin81 on Friday 15 February 19 00:45 GMT (UK)

I find it odd only the haltwhistle kids have baptism records, unless they haven’t been subscribed.

It’s also odd how it looks like there are a fed Keenan’s and O’Neil’s marrying but I can’t find Them.

I’ll revisit this tomorrow, the marriage shouldn’t be this difficult to find, if it exists.

I'm not sure the records for the catholic church in Carlisle are transcribed.  There was only one catholic church in 1850's.  I did a look up for someone for this church at the archives a while ago because they couldn't find them online.