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I just saw  "J.B. Gooch" references in newspaper articles for 1897 and 1902 in Australia (via Trove).

The trouble is that this is too late in history to be the man I am looking for.
Could be a descendant but there's no proof.

Is there any way to see if Joseph Bright Gooch is a passenger or crew on a ship arriving in NZ before 1862? I know that there are passenger lists for the early ships but I don't remember where to find them.



Hello Kiwis

I have a fellow in my family tree who was born in England and became a mariner in 1847.
Apparently he was sent to serve in the 'pilot service' in Bengal, but the only reference I can find of him after that is as crew on a ship called the Rainbow which travelled from Wellington to Sydney in June 1862.

I've just had a look at the NZ newspapers for early 1862 and see from a number of articles that the Rainbow was a ship of 75 tons that worked in the area around Dunedin/Taieri as a tug and as a ferry. In March it was advertised for sale and in May it made a journey up to Wellington via Lyttelton before crossing to Sydney where it was intended the ship would be refurbished and brought back to NZ to continue working as a ferry/tug.

This has implications for tracing my ancestor, Joseph Bright Gooch.
He may have been hired for that one crossing to Sydney but he could also have been
regular crew, in which case he may have settled in NZ.

Can anyone find evidence of him living in NZ?

He was born in 1832.

-David C

Thanks all for scouring Australian records.

Jamjar, interesting archive you have listed. Several of Joseph's brothers were mariners so this could have wider importance to my search.

ShaunJ, you always seem to be the one to pull the rabbit out of the hat.
Allen's Indian Mail is a great resource.
Joseph's brother Thomas appears in there, 1846.

Oh yes, and they are all sons of Captain John Burton Gooch & Susan Bright.


Hello all

I just came across a thing I noted down a few years ago but did not follow up on:

An English ancestor named Joseph Bright Gooch, born 1832, disappears from the UK records after 1851. The 1851 UK census says he is a mariner with the East India Company.

There is a record in Ancestry (somewhere) that says he is part of the crew on a ship going from Sydney to Wellington in 1862.

So could I ask people familiar with Australian censuses etc to see if they can find any reference to this man in Australia. I have checked the records I know in NZ and found nothing.

-David C

London and Middlesex / Re: Passports in 1853 - who needed them and for which countries?
« on: Wednesday 14 November 18 03:36 GMT (UK)  »
Wow, that was fast.

I just found a death registration for Susan I H Gutteres in 1882.

The initials should be Susan J H Gutteres, obviously a mistake.
1882 matches the request for a cemetery plot by James Gutteres (obviously not for himself).


London and Middlesex / Re: Passports in 1853 - who needed them and for which countries?
« on: Wednesday 14 November 18 03:30 GMT (UK)  »
haha....  well done again, Debra.

London and Middlesex / Re: Passports in 1853 - who needed them and for which countries?
« on: Wednesday 14 November 18 03:29 GMT (UK)  »
Oh really? I missed James in two censuses on the basis of spelling mistakes??  Sigh...
I need an emoji for a man slapping his face with embarrassment.
Thanks Debra. Great work :)

BTW just 10 minutes ago I found a wedding announcement for James's daughter Kate
in the London newspaper for Dec 1872. In it, the father is said to be living in Kingston Jamaica.

I doubt that there is anything else to find in this project, but I will leave the conversation open for a while.  For example, perhaps we can find out what happened to his wife Susan?


London and Middlesex / Passports in 1853 - who needed them and for which countries?
« on: Tuesday 13 November 18 22:51 GMT (UK)  »
Hello experts,

my research has brought me to a Mr James Gutteres (esq) born 1818 who went to India as a surgeon in 1840 and married in England in 1847, appears in the 1851 census with his wife and two daughters, was chairman of a mining company (newspaper clips) and disappears after he applies for a passport in 1853.

There are references to him in the Westminster rate books through the 1880s.
He bought a funeral plot in 1882.
And he wrote a will in Jersey Channel Islands in 1900.
But he is in none of the censuses after 1851, leading me to think that he lived most of his adult life overseas and came back occasionally and probably retired to the Channel Islands.

But my specific question is this:
* Who needed passports in 1853?
* And which countries would have required them?

These questions are intended to help me determine where James went.
But if you can find him in other countries by other means then please go ahead.

My blood relative is his wife, originally Susan Julia Hogarth Gooch (b, 1821).
The Gooch family seem to have been of high social standing in London and the daughters all married well.



Kent / Re: Address known in Ramsgate in 1939 - but where are the occupants?
« on: Saturday 29 September 18 04:50 BST (UK)  »
Thanks all. And Shaun, your suggestion for caution is correct.

I am satisfied with the progress made here and will call this topic complete tomorrow unless someone has more to add in the meantime.


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