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Armed Forces / Re: Second Anglo-Afghan War 1878-80
« on: Friday 18 May 18 18:16 BST (UK)  »
Hello there

I think it looks like he perhaps didn't serve in Afghanistan - his medical record contains the line "Brought before an Invaliding Board on the [16] December 1878 & recommended for Discharge", with the previous entry recorded at Sialkot in Nov 1877, noting the condition that lead to his being no longer fit for service.

Having said that, the proceedings of the Regimental Board held on 5th March 1879 to confirm his discharge seems to have been held at Habib Kila in Afghanistan with Captains Guinness, Frome and Gildea - all on service in Afghanistan - and on the following page is William's signature. Whether that was signed there and then or much later is not clear - there are definitely multiple pens at work on the page. Certainly by July 1879 he was at the Netley Hospital.

The 72nd marched from Sialkot to Kohat in Oct/Nov 1878 - William may have been left at Sialkot as an invalid, or he may have stayed at Kohat with the left wing of the regiment while the right wing marched on with Col. Brownlow. In Jan 1879 the left wing moved into the Khost Valley. In April the regiment was stationed at Ali Khel until the conflict broke out again with the second phase of the war (in September). The 72nd being at Habib Kila in March 1879 fits the general area, it was a British garrison camp and not far from Ali Khel, and things were relatively peaceful then, so perhaps time for some regimental admin ...

I agree he's not on the medal roll, and along with the medical record, I think it confirms he didn't serve in Afghanistan, and was either back at Sialkot, or non-effective in some way.

Best - Garen


Good Afternoon.First time poster,hope i have got this right.
I am researching my 2x Great Grandad.He was  Private (got to sergeant,but busted)) William Bickerton who served in the 72nd Highlanders from 28/Sep/1859-21/July/1879 service number 536.I have his service/medical records and also Chelsea pension records.I have checked the medal roll WO 100/52 for that regiment for that period and i can't seem to find him,am i looking in the right place as i would like to confirm if any clasps awarded.Thank You.

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Armed Forces / Re: Second Anglo-Afghan War 1878-80
« on: Wednesday 03 January 18 23:22 GMT (UK)  »
Hello Granpa GHB - many thanks for your post.

I can help you out with those place names. In order: Ali Musjid, Peiwar Kotal, Charasia, Kabul and Sherpore, Ahmed Khel, and - as you have - Kandahar.

That's quite a list of actions! In fact, it's every clasp available. Looking at the medal roll I am not sure he was awarded all those clasps ... it does look like a tick in each column, but elsewhere, for others, 'yes' is written, and I think the 'yes' indicates an awarded clasp and the tick may actually be a badly styled dash (ie. no clasp).

I don't think anyone received both the Ahmed Khel clasp and the Kabul clasp - it's not impossible, but very unlikely.

It looks like Lt. G H Bittleston was attached to an un-recorded battery for the Afghan campaign - possibly the 4th Brigade, which could be one of five batteries (A, C, D, E or G). In Feb 1881 he moved from the 4th Brigade to serve as Aide-de-Camp to Brigadier-General Cobbe at Allahabad. Two months later he was A-d-C to Major-General Macpherson.

I will see if I can find out some more.

Thanks again - Garen.

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Armed Forces / Re: Second Anglo-Afghan War 1878-80
« on: Wednesday 29 November 17 18:16 GMT (UK)  »
Just to confirm that Charles was only in receipt of two medals - the Afghan War Medal (2 clasps) and the Kandahar Star. The India Medal ribbon was just a replacement ribbon - begged, borrowed or bought :-)

Seems he survived his hepatitis anyway!

All best -
Garen

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Armed Forces / Re: Second Anglo-Afghan War 1878-80
« on: Wednesday 29 November 17 09:33 GMT (UK)  »
Hello brotan, thanks for your post.

I think the $30 you're quoting is for WWII records. I did a quick look-up on findmypast.co.uk and see that Charles' service record is up there, attesting at Westminster in Jan 1873 and discharged as 'medically unfit for service' in July 1883 (it seems from hepatitis). He was in India from Jan 1875 to May 1883, and married in Dec 1881.

As for the medal, it seems as though at some point the Afghan ribbon has been replaced with a ribbon for the 1895-1902 India Medal - perhaps the closest that could be obtained after the original one was lost or beyond repair.

Do you know when Charles died?

Best - Garen

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Armed Forces / Re: Second Anglo-Afghan War 1878-80
« on: Thursday 09 November 17 09:16 GMT (UK)  »
No worries, Ann. Glad you got a photograph of Charles - with his Afghan and Long Service Good Conduct medals. I will add Charles Horton on to the Afghan war database.

All best - Garen.

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Armed Forces / Re: Second Anglo-Afghan War 1878-80
« on: Friday 03 November 17 15:18 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Garen
My Great Grandfather served in the 59th regiment of Foot and was in Afghanistan from 13 Dec 1878 to the 26 Nov 1880. His name was Charles Horton. He fought in the battle of Ahmed Khel and was awarded an Afghan War medal.I'm not sure if he got the medal for fighting in the war or if it was for some specific action.I have a photo which may have been when he was a lot younger but I"m struggling to identify the uniform he"s wearing.
Regards Ann

Hello Ann

Thanks for sending the photo - I've uploaded a cropped version here in case anyone can add anything else.

I have limited expertise on uniforms but noted the fusilier style collar badge, though with the crossed cannon insignia on the left sleeve it points to the Royal Artillery.

I showed the photo to someone (thank you Frogsmile) who is much better with uniforms than me and he came back with the fact that the subject is a Royal Artillery Trumpeter - note the crossed trumpets on the right arm. The stripe on the left arm is a Good Conduct stripe (2-3 years service) and the uniform style might point to the early-mid 1890s.

This looks like it is almost certainly not Charles Horton. His service record (on FindMyPast) shows he enlisted with the 59th Foot and worked his way up from Private to Paymaster Sergeant and Quartermaster Sergeant. No sign of any RA service, and he served from 1867 to 1889. The photo is definitely not c.1870s.

Are we looking at the next generation here - one of Charles' sons?

Best - Garen

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Armed Forces / Re: Second Anglo-Afghan War 1878-80
« on: Thursday 02 November 17 11:35 GMT (UK)  »
You can email it to me if you like - I can reduce it for posting.

Best - G

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Armed Forces / Re: Second Anglo-Afghan War 1878-80
« on: Thursday 02 November 17 01:11 GMT (UK)  »
Hello Ann

Thanks for your message. Charles received the Afghan War medal for participating in the 1878-80 campaign, and a clasp for the battle of Ahmed Khel (19 April 1880).

Please feel free to post the photo with the unknown uniform ...

Best - Garen

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Armed Forces / Re: 2nd SAS North Africa 1944
« on: Wednesday 11 October 17 22:11 BST (UK)  »
As the Wikipedia entry on Operation Maple says:

Quote
Driftwood consisted of two four man teams intended to cut the lines between Urbino and Fabriano, and Ancona and Rimini. Their fate is unknown, but they were surmised to be drowned, or captured and executed.

The report on that (helpfully transcribed at the link above) lists the eight men as Gunston, Pugh, Dodds, Loosemore, Benson, Glen, Lockeridge and Evans. Also their operations were on the eastern coast of Italy (Gunston's party were said to have put to sea at Porto San Giorgio).

So, with those names and the geographical location, I think Maple can be discounted as a possibility for my enquiry.

Many thanks for the suggestion though, Regorian, it's been helpful giving it a proper look-over.

- Garen

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