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World War One / Re: Shot at Dawn
« on: Sunday 11 November 18 00:43 GMT (UK)  »
There are some extremely distressingly poignant stories about a few of those who were shot at dawn on these two websites:

The phrase "Man's inhumanity to Man" comes to mind.

Norfolk / Re: What age were boys apprenticed as blacksmiths? (William DEWING)
« on: Thursday 08 November 18 13:58 GMT (UK)  »
I think he could even have been a bit younger in that century.

I've got a 19th century Norfolk census showing a shoemaker's daughter was a "Pupil Teacher", aged just 12.

This is from Wikipedia:-
"In the early years of the Industrial Revolution entrepreneurs began to resist the restrictions of the apprenticeship system, and a legal ruling established that the Statute of Apprentices did not apply to trades that were not in existence when it was passed in 1563, thus excluding many new 18th century industries.
In the 18th and 19th centuries, the Society for Promoting Christian Knowledge founded many charity schools for poor students in the 7 to 11 age group. These schools were the basis for the development of modern concepts of primary and secondary education. The Society also was an early provider of teacher education"


By the 1880s education was compulsory for children aged 5 to 10

Armed Forces / Re: fortnighty ticket
« on: Tuesday 06 November 18 23:16 GMT (UK)  »
You're correct about the train ticket. My O.H. was in the forces and was entitled to free train tickets to visit his parents but he had to wear his uniform.

Armed Forces / Re: Lunatic asylum but Chelsea Pensioner?
« on: Tuesday 06 November 18 23:11 GMT (UK)  »
Not all Army Chelsea Pensioners lived in the Chelsea Hospital and not all Navy Greenwich Pensioners lived in the Greenwhich Hospital because those facilities were over subscribed. The buildings look massive but as history books show, we were always at war somewhere, thus the buildings couldn't cope.   Pensioners either lived in alternative hospital facilities if they were ill or with family (which is what my Greenwich Pensioner ancestor did) or had lodgings somewhere.

Does your ancestor have the word "lunatic" alongside his name?  If so, this could mean he suffered from post traumatic stress disorder.

Census and Resource Discussion / Re: Baptised twice?
« on: Tuesday 06 November 18 22:54 GMT (UK)  »
I have a branch of my family where all the children were baptised in the local church, then about a decade later the parents took all the children on a long trip to a Catholic church where they were baptised into that faith. I was informed by the Catholic archivist that it was permitted to have children baptised in local churches where there were no Catholic churches in the region.

We know he was baptised, which was his parents and godparents promising to keep him on the right path,  but I wondered if the second ceremony was a confirmation.

Alternatively, did he make a decision to change his religion from one to another:   Methodist; CofE; Catholic; etc.

I surfed and found this comment about the Catholic church in Ireland:-
Roman Catholics refer to anyone who is Western Rite Catholic-as they go to a church that is directly a part of the Roman Patriarchy. ... Most Irish Catholics are Roman Catholics however there are some Eastern Rite Catholic Churches in Ireland and you might fight someone with a name like Sean Patrick O'Neal who goes to one.

The Common Room / Re: How old was ancient?
« on: Monday 05 November 18 14:29 GMT (UK)  »
I think Viktoria's question is very valid!

Sort of doubting that "ancient" refers to the man's age but rather his social standing. Knights/yeoman,etc.


You've reminded me of something, which might fit in with the description if the entry was made a few centuries ago.

My brother married into a family that had an ancestor who assisted the King at the start of the civil war.  The king was initially denied entry to Hull, Yorkshire and the ancestor acted as a go-between.   To thank him, the ancestor was made a Yeoman (Freeman) of the county by the king and given a piece of land, some of it is still farmed by the family today.  Possibly the "ancient yeoman" owned a piece of land or was a prominent trader of some sort.

The Common Room / Re: How old was ancient?
« on: Monday 05 November 18 13:58 GMT (UK)  »
As the church seemed to rule their lives I would imagine the bible has an apt description:-

From the Bible, Psalm 90, verse 10: "The days of our years are three score and ten."

Possibly over seventy years of age might be seen as "ancient" and those in their later years of life who haven't reached that age might be classed as "very old"

The Common Room / Re: Ancestry suggestions - complete nonsense!!!!!
« on: Sunday 04 November 18 03:00 GMT (UK)  »
It's not just Ancestry. 
MyHeritage emailed me some "matches" today, I didn't bother looking further down the list than the first two; one taken from geni and the other from familysearch websites.  Both suggestions were of married females who both had different maiden surnames than those on my tree,  and the given name of "Ann" had been lengthened to "Mary Ann".

The Lighter Side / Re: Just for a change - an informative Burial record
« on: Saturday 03 November 18 16:06 GMT (UK)  »
What does "dijinge" mean?

"Dying", as already stated.

When I was young our school atlas had a country named "Jugoslavia" = "Yugoslavia"

Yugoslavia now broken up into separate states:
    Bosnia and Herzegovina

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