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The Common Room / Re: Brickwall inflation
« on: Yesterday at 18:55 »
My what one might call "brickwall" moments tend to have been related to Ireland - they are known to me either as "Before they emerged, dripping wet, from the Irish sea in Liverpool" or "Lost in the bogs of Ireland". Neither of these being as easy to get through as a nice dry, clean brick wall, in my opinion.

That describes Bryan's paternal line to a tee  :'( :'( :'( :'(

Whereas some of my paternal lines vanished into the mists of the Scottish Highlands.   :'( :'( :'( :-\

As an avid follower of Heir Hunters I'm so sad to read this post.   Your loving eulogy was a treat to read and mirrors what I always thought about him.

As I believe there is an afterlife, I have no doubt he'll be looking over your shoulder at the computer screen trying to pass on his thoughts.

RIP David Pacifico

Europe / Re: Goll Family from Germany - Need Help with Records
« on: Wednesday 20 June 18 19:33 BST (UK)  »
This webpage explains why Munchen is mentioned in the documentation you have.  It is an archdiocese overseeing many subsidiary diocese - one of the latter being where your ancestors lived:

If the 1860 birth/baptism of Walburga Goll is correct, then this is the marriage and birth details of her parents.

Deutschland, Bayern, Bistum Augsburg, katholische Kirchenbücher, 1615-1939
Name:   Joseph Goll
Event Type:   Marriage
Event Date:   4 Mar 1851
Event Place:   Kellmünz, Kellmünz an der Iller, Neu-Ulm, Schwaben, Bayern, Deutschland
Gender:   Male
Birth Date:   11 Jan 1817
Father's Name:   Christoph Goll
Mother's Name:   Franziska Fackler
Spouse's Name:   Agnes Prestele
Spouse's Gender:   Female
Spouse's Birth Date:   19 Jan 1822
Spouse's Father's Name:   Seraphin Prestele
Spouse's Mother's Name:   Theres Doerger

As the book goes back to the 1600s there could be more records of all the different surname providing the families hadn't travelled from another part of the land. 

These details are also on the same familysearch film and I see there were more than two babies born to that couple. If you would like to see and take a copy of the filmed pages of the original Munchen RC church book, then you need to visit your local Morman Church family History Centre (the Church of Latter Day Saints).

The shrunk url link:

My family are Ev. Lutheran and I'm used to seeing names and occupations of sponsors/witnesses in the church books - some witnesses are relatives and others are people of importance in the community. These people's given names are usually donated to the baby, with the baby's own given name being the one listed next to its surname.  For instance my own gf given name was Herman but was baptised with two donated names: recorded as Franz Jacob Herman.  VERY awkward in early years when searching records for Herman but search facilities only searched for the first name of Franz

The Common Room / Re: Catching syphilis
« on: Wednesday 20 June 18 16:37 BST (UK)  »
My late OH was in the forces in the 1950s at a time when every public toilet had a warning notice about Venereal Disease.  At the time members of the Forces were issued with condoms; other ranks were issued with what they described as "wellington boots" and officers issued with gossamer condoms.

If one of HM forces caught a venereal disease then lower ranks records would state caught from visiting a brothel, etc., but officers only caught the disease from toilet seats.

Europe / Re: Goll Family from Germany - Need Help with Records
« on: Wednesday 20 June 18 03:17 BST (UK)  »
I take it you want to find the Munich church records.

If you follow the Munchen/Munich church link on this familysearch webpage:,_Bavaria,_Germany_Genealogy

it takes you to this webpage:-

If you just enter the surname "Goll" to search for the baptism of the mother:-  Mutter: Walburga Goll, Kochin und Backer-meisterstochter, katholisch.

You will see this unique name is listed, which may or may not be the person you're looking for but I didn't completely trawl through the search results:-

Walburga Goll
Deutschland, Bayern, Bistum Augsburg, katholische Kirchenbücher, 1615-1939
Name:   Walburga Goll
Event Type:   Baptism
Event Place:   Kellmünz, Kellmünz an der Iller, Neu-Ulm, Schwaben, Bayern, Deutschland
Birth Date:   12 May 1860
Father's Name:   Joseph Goll
Mother's Name:   Agnes Prestele
Certificate Number:   13

Technical Help / Re: Updating Outlook account
« on: Sunday 17 June 18 23:55 BST (UK)  »
I've been receiving the same notification for years since virgin mail transferred me to another server. I did once try to oblige Microsoft but took one look at the unintelligible (to me) questionaire and left them guessing.

Microsoft still regularly update my computer.

The Common Room / Re: Anyone found much use in the Brit. Newspaper Archive sub?
« on: Saturday 16 June 18 19:12 BST (UK)  »
I have free access from my home computer via my local lending library.

I've also found adverts, plus bmd's and was surprised to find the death of an ordinary blacksmith was announced in the 1850s.  I've found mention of landlords of taverns - even found one such landlord was targetted by thieves in the late 1700s when they tried to steal the bed curtains.  As transport was mainly by ship most newspapers gave information about arrivals/departures and names of captains which I found useful.   

Prior to being a member I could see from bmds that family members moved about.  Now that I have access to online newspapers I've discovered most reasons for the moves, e.g. one man followed his employer when he sold his tannery/leather works in Thornhil, Perthshire in 1794 (per newspaper adverts) and transferred the business to Lanarkshire, Scotland.

Can't find her anywhere else and she's not on the 1841 census with the rest of the family.

I see the family are living at Idsworth in 1841.

There is this burial at Chalton in 1833, August 13th

Laura Emma Mariner, (residence) Idsworth Tything, aged 4

Laura Emma sounds like a nice phonetic rendering of Loruhamah

I think so too and although the surame isn't Irish, I can imagine a similar strong dialect being very difficult to transcribe by the listener.

Even back in the 1960s each village had it own peculiarities and I remember not being able to understand one word spoken by some villagers only two miles away from the village where I lived.    Perhaps this also was such an occasion.

England / Re: Some dead-end marriages maybe parishes would clear up
« on: Wednesday 13 June 18 12:06 BST (UK)  »
It's useful when searchig through familysearch website to insert the village parish "batch numbers".

There used to be a really useful hugh wallis website that listed all the batch numbers and the years covered by each batch, for England, Scotland and Wales but unfortunately it's been taken down.

I've found the alternative website and if you click on the "home page" you'll see a list of counties on the left hand side of the page - e.g. Wiltshire, Cambridgeshire, etc.  Clicking on each county will give you a list of each village/town set of batch numbers for each parish church, eg. Bremhill, Wiltshire. 
Normally couples married in the parish where the bride lived.-

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