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Australia / Re: William DAVIS married to Martha ORME/HOLMES 1/2/1869, Collector, NSW
« on: Wednesday 09 December 15 00:59 GMT (UK)  »
I've contacted the Berry Family History centre to see if they have anything on William and the accident.  Fingers crossed!

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Australia / Re: William DAVIS married to Martha ORME/HOLMES 1/2/1869, Collector, NSW
« on: Tuesday 08 December 15 02:37 GMT (UK)  »
Many thanks,   :) 

yes, best to wait until New Year to seek out the register.

I will see what I can find from the info on that dc.    :)

Thank you!

The informant as a police constable at Berry would be the stumbling block to the lack of family history info.  Between the policeman and the undertaker, no-one mentions the cemetery.  To me, that seems an oversight, and no mention of a Reverend...   

Is it a real deal certificate, or perhaps could it be a partial transcription .....  Also if a real deal certificate, is it one issued this century or much much earlier ....   :)

Even  his age .... "50 years" becomes possible as a guess rather than a confirmed fact.   I might have some Ettinghausen family papers from the era.... 

It is a full transcript that I had done in June 2013 by Laurence Turtle who is an authorised transcription agent.

If you happen to find something it would be wonderful. 


Cheers,  JM

Thanks again for all your help.

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Australia / Re: William DAVIS married to Martha ORME/HOLMES 1/2/1869, Collector, NSW
« on: Tuesday 08 December 15 01:03 GMT (UK)  »
Hi there,

From the NSW BDM registration only for the death of William DAVIS, #1898/2906, registered Berry District, can you please type up the following details :  (sometimes fresh eyes spot a tiny clue ... it only takes a tiny clue to eat away at the mortar in a family history brickwall  :) )

The certificate is #1892/2906 - is that what you meant?

Re the photo
I am wondering if the sepia colouring in the 1920s photographs  influences the suggestion of Aboriginal heritage.  Perhaps DNA testing may be the way to go.   

There are a few people still living that remember their grandparents having dark skin colouring.  In fact, my mother exclaimed when I told her about the possible Aboriginal heritage - that's why my grandmother had such dark skin! 

Re Contacting the Diocese,
Yes, if you have exhausted all the other tips, then perhaps a snail mail letter enclosing photocopy of the NSW BDM document,  asking for their suggestions may be the way to go (explaining where you have already tried, and noting the missing witnesses .... to me that is significant, as though the Rev missed recording these on at least one register ....  :-\ ).  Remember of course that at this time of the year, it is Advent and the volunteers may be involved in current programs within the parish and within their own home life too.   

I will write to them but perhaps not until after Christmas, when all has settled.  Hopefully something will come up in the mean time and I won't have to contact them.  :)

Cheers,  JM

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Australia / Re: William DAVIS married to Martha ORME/HOLMES 1/2/1869, Collector, NSW
« on: Tuesday 08 December 15 00:58 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks JM.  I have a transcript of his death registration and there are a lot of blanks:

Date and place of death                        27 November 1892
Name                                                  William Davis
Rank or Profession                                Aboriginal
Sex and age                                         Male, 50 years
Cause of Death                                     Accidentally killed by falling of (sic) a load of hay
Duration of last illness                           1 day
Certification                                          Dr J P Brereton
When he last saw deceased                     26 November 1892
Name and occupation of father                not know
Name and maiden surname of mother      no entry
Informant and relationship to deceased    Richard Morris, police constable, Berry
Registration                                           Henry Taylor, 30 November 1892, Berry
When and where buried                          28 November 1892, Berry
Name of Undertaker                                Peter Ettinghausen
Name and religion of Minister                  no entry
Names of witnesses of burial                   William Blake and John Barber
Where born                                           Burrawang, NSW
How long in the Australasian Colonies      Aboriginal
Place of marriage                                   no entry
Age at marriage                                    no entry
To whom married                                   no entry
Details of Children of Marriage                 no entry

The transcription agent has written on the bottom:  More information about this death could be gleaned from the police gazette or newspapers.  I've searched and not been able to find anything.

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Australia / Re: William DAVIS married to Martha ORME/HOLMES 1/2/1869, Collector, NSW
« on: Monday 07 December 15 23:23 GMT (UK)  »

Many of you researchers have probably experienced all the setbacks, etc. that I have experienced.
There are some instances where facts have been uncovered by me, which have previously been unknown. One of those facts was the family surname change from Orme to Holmes. Other reseachers had encountered a brick wall trying to uncover older records.

The Berrima District Family History Society helped me with several items and I will forever be indebted to their knowledge and assistance. Several years ago, I forwarded printed and CD showing all the known details and photographs etc relative to my family history. Those records are in their archives. Since then there has been several small snippets added into my own records, but have not sent them to the Society as yet.


I've just been in touch with the Berrima District Family History Society and they say they do not have a copy of this CD, unfortunately.

I will message you in the hope that we can sort out something.  :)

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Australia / Re: William DAVIS married to Martha ORME/HOLMES 1/2/1869, Collector, NSW
« on: Saturday 05 December 15 23:10 GMT (UK)  »
The lady from the Canberra family history center went to the National Library and checked and said that there are no parents' details for the Davis's or parents' of the witnesses who were married on the same day (witnesses names are on the MC).  She also said that there were two other couples married in the church on the same day and they had full entries in the Register!

I also found a photocopy on ancestry.com.au of what looks to be the entry in the Parish Register with those details missing.

I'm not sure what to do now.  Should I contact the Goulburn Diocese? 

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Australia / Re: William DAVIS married to Martha ORME/HOLMES 1/2/1869, Collector, NSW
« on: Saturday 05 December 15 10:29 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you very much JM.

They were married under the rites of the Church of England by Robert Earl so there is hope yet we may find something more.  :)

I would really appreciate it if you could look through your records etc, when you have time, and let me know what you find.

I can message you a copy of the Marriage Certificate if you like.  :)

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Australia / Re: William DAVIS married to Martha ORME/HOLMES 1/2/1869, Collector, NSW
« on: Saturday 05 December 15 03:42 GMT (UK)  »
Sorry poor wording on my part.  The parents of William, Martha and the parents of the witnesses were left blank.

All I know is she viewed the Parish Register for the Collector area.  So do I need to look elsewhere?

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Australia / Re: William DAVIS married to Martha ORME/HOLMES 1/2/1869, Collector, NSW
« on: Saturday 05 December 15 02:39 GMT (UK)  »
Hi there,

Welcome knows a lot to RChat.   It is a great place for family history searchings.

Many of the rural marriages from 1856 to 1895 that NSW BDM has on their marriage register are basically only summaries of the full registration.  So NSW BDM's records often do not include the ages of the bride or groom, and/or their places of birth, and/or the names of their parents etc.   However, the information was usually recorded by the clergy on the parish register.   NSW BDM's own website acknowledges these blanks on their records.

Here's a thread I did up some time ago re how to overcome these elusive blanks.  http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,546609.0.html

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Cheers,  JM

A lovely lady from one of the Canberra family research groups went and viewed the Parish Register and unfortunately, the parents of both William, Martha and their witnesses (who were married on the same day) are blank.

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