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London and Middlesex / Re: Fleurriet - Spitalfields/Bethnal Green
« on: Sunday 03 March 13 14:01 GMT (UK)  »
Hello Steve

I could not find a baptism for Titus either, but he is living in Pelham Street in the earliest tax records, which is where Pierre is in the early 1700's, and Richard Fleurriet's French Hospital record describes him as 'son of Titus Fleurriet, grand son of [blank] Fleurriet, whose father was a native of Dieppe in Normandy'. The will of Pierre Fleurriet from 1761 confirms Titus was a grandson of his, he leaves him a couple of bequests (Can send a copy of this if you don't have it?).

Unfortunately the will does not state which of his sons Pierre, David, or Jean was Titus's father, but possibly Pierre can be ruled out, as his will from the 1780's leaves everything to a single married daughter, which does not suggest sons. Personally I think Jean/John, is the most likely candidate, as two of his other children 'Philemon' and 'Jean Maximillian' had unusual names for the Huguenot community who tended to favour the old testament prophets or the more standard French saint names. Philemon/Maximillian/Titus all unusual and have obviously classical overtones.

Searching around on the internet throws up this for him a burglary at his home in Spitalfields. Not sure if you've seen it. Doesn't help much with his family details but interesting all the same!

http://www.londonlives.org/browse.jsp?id=t17920329-40-victim446&div=t17920329-40#highlight

Regards

Richard

Thanks again Richard and for the link, which is new to me !

I had Titus in Spital Street (1773 tax records), which was the earliest I could find.

The hospital record was a little frustrating, having the father's first name missing, but all those little clues do point to Jean/John as you say.

Thanks so much

Steve

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London and Middlesex / Re: Fleurriet - Spitalfields/Bethnal Green
« on: Saturday 02 March 13 20:43 GMT (UK)  »
Hello Steve and Emmeline

I did some reasearch a little while ago into the Fleurets/Fleuriet/Fleuriots etc when I was researching the Alleaume family of Dieppe.

A Suzanne Fleuriet of Dieppe, daughter of Pierre Fleuriet and Marthe le Grand married a Salomon Aleaume son of Jacques Aleaume of Yenestenville, Normandy, and Madeleine le Yasseur in the French Church London on 10 October 1688.

She had joined the church a year earlier by 'reconnaissance' with two others:

"1 June 1687 Pierre Fleurier, of Dieppe, Suzanne Fleurier, spinster Jean Fleurier, young man."

A Pierre Fleuriet, also of Dieppe, maried Rachel Le Heupe 20 Aug 1699 at St Dunstan's Stepney. He was a silk weaver living in Pelham Street, Spitalfields, and was the grandfather of Tite/Titus Fleuriet, and great grandfather of Richard Fleuriet in Steve's original post.

Whether he was was Suzanne's brother and also then a child of Pierre Fleuriet and Marthe le Grand I do not know but it seems likely.

A Peter Fleuriot  presented a petition for denisation in June 18 1701 with an Oliver Le Nouricier, , Jacob Hue and Michael Hue, stating that they were forced to quit their native country on account of their religion, and had given good testimony of their loyalty.

In 1705 a Peter Fleuriot, presumably the above man was naturalised. His papers describe him as a  son of Peter Fleuriot, by Susanna his wife, born at Bolbec in France.

This above man I think would not be Steve's ancestor the Pierre/Peter from Dieppe, but  instead Emmeline's ancestor Pierre/Peter who married Rebecca Hill at 4 Jan 1707 St Mary Magdalen, Old Fish Street, and had two children baptised at The Artillery Church, Spitalfields, (where he was an elder from 1708-10 and secretary 1710-13). The will you mentioned from 1713 refers to his sister Judith Mondon nee Fleuriot, and a Judith Fleuriot was married to a Daniel Mondon  26 January 1667 at the Lintot Temple which served the Bolbec protestants in Normandy, which seems to confirm this.

I realise this is now a very old query, and you may already have all this information but I thought I would add it anyway just in case.

There was also two other separate families by the same name, the first a Mathurin Fleuret, a wool carder from Maixent who was the first by the name to come to England joining the Threadneedle Street Church in winter 1680. He seems to have been an older gentleman and left no descendant lines as far as I can see.

Then later a Jean Fleuret and his wife Marie, who were originally from Clerac in South west France, joined the church in 1702. They had fled first to Holland and had been settled in Rotterdam before coming to London. The spelling of their surname seems much more fluid then the two Norman branches, Floret/Florry/Flauret/Fleuret/Fleuriet/Flouret, but unhelpfully they were also settled in Spitalfields as silk weavers in Quaker Street, so picking them apart in later records from the Norman family is not always that easy!

The two Norman families seem to have stopped using the French churches by the 1750's, which was fairly standard, though Richard Fleuriet did enroll his daughter Anne into the Westminster French Protestant Charity School as late as the 1790's. Her record shows she was baptised 18 Feb 1789 at St Mary's, Reading, Berkshire.

Richard himself, as you probably already know Steve, of course also later used the French Protestant community charities when he was an inmate of 'La Providence' the French Hospital from February 6th, 1836 until his death January 29th 1842.

Incidently I cannot find any evidence either any of them were ever involved in watch making, though a refugee family by the surname were settled in Switzerland using the French reform church there. Maybe they were linked to one of the London family and watch makers?

Regards

Richard


Richard,

This is gold dust  :)

I hadn't been able to find the father of Titus Fleurriet, but to have the names of the grandparents gives me another start.

I have Fleurriet Wills and lots of extracts from the French hospital records and the Norman Society Annual Reports etc, but had never been able to link Titus with Pierre !

Thank you so much for this information.

Regards

Steve   


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London and Middlesex / Re: Fleurriet - Spitalfields/Bethnal Green
« on: Wednesday 27 February 13 02:24 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Emmeline,

I've seen numerous spellings, so possibly related.
This line has always been very interesting, but also very frustrating.

Good luck too !

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London and Middlesex / Re: Fleurriet - Spitalfields/Bethnal Green
« on: Tuesday 26 February 13 23:55 GMT (UK)  »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bovet_Fleurier

There appears to be a place in Switzerland called Fleruier, associated with watchmaking and googling, many seem to bare the name Fleurier, the company "Bovet" were chartered in London in 1822 and produced very high end timepieces, but the place produced watches prior to that.
So 1807 and Fleurriet London ............... :P

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London and Middlesex / Re: Fleurriet - Spitalfields/Bethnal Green
« on: Monday 25 February 13 23:11 GMT (UK)  »
I checked both volumes of Watchmakers and Clockmakers of the World without success
Bit of a mystery then !
Thanks for looking   :)

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London and Middlesex / Re: Fleurriet - Spitalfields/Bethnal Green
« on: Sunday 24 February 13 19:24 GMT (UK)  »
maybe unconnected but seems an unusual name.   I have a pocket watch hallmarked 1807 and the watch movement is signed INo.(Inigo?) Fleurriet London
As Ancestry.co  has so few Fleurriets its possibly connected. A lot of watchmaking seemed to be centred around Eastcheap/Leadenhall Street, not far from Spitalfields

I recall seeing the name in a book of watchmaking but can't now find a reference to it on the internet.

best wishes.

Hi, I'm still here, just not been able to devote any time to the site for a while.

I'll have to have a delve and see what I can find, but I'm not aware without investigating, of any watchmakers in my line.
As far as I remember, they are all Silk Weavers and that type of employment.

How very interesting though, I will get on the trail and see what I can find.

Regards

Steve

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Thanks Caz & Irene,words fail me again.
You guys are fantastic  :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*

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Free Photo Restoration & Date Old Photographs / Re: Photo Repair Please
« on: Tuesday 18 December 07 04:21 GMT (UK)  »
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Free Photo Restoration & Date Old Photographs / Re: Crease removal & a clean-up please
« on: Tuesday 18 December 07 04:06 GMT (UK)  »
That's lovely,

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