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Norfolk / Re: Louisa Sarah Coldham
« on: Wednesday 18 October 17 17:45 BST (UK)  »
Crucial update.
Having recently been in touch with my great aunts granddaughter with regards information on our family tree it turns out that Sarah Coldham ! was born to Ann Elizabeth Halls a single woman who was born herself in Norfolk but was living at the time in London. She had returned to Norfolk and her family where my Grt Gran Louisa Sarah or Sarah Louisa  was born. She was baptised along with her cousins who had also been born out of wedlock on 17th Oct 1874 at Downham though she was born on 8th September 1866. Her mother married Walter Covington in 1876 at St Marks Bow in London whilst louisa was left in West Dereham with her granparents George and Charlotte Halls. They all turn up together on census records in and out of Downham Union workhouse. Her mother remains in London with Walter Covington and has further children. He was a policeman. We are summising that my Grt Gran was told that her father was a Thomas Coldham hence her using that surname on her wedding certificate. It states on that certificate that her father Thomas Coldham is dead. In the 1881 census she was still living in West Dereham under the name louisa Halls 5 years later she is married using the surname Coldham. I have traced a possible father to her who had died in 1877 he being a travelling letter sorter by the name of Henry Thomas Coldham who lived in London in the same area that my Grt Grans mother was living in he was married. He died away from his wife she in London whilst he was living in Preston . trying to make some sense of this all after so long. Input welcome and thanks for all interest in this

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The Common Room / Marriage 1886
« on: Friday 08 September 17 16:25 BST (UK)  »
Hello would someone who married in 1886 have needed to show their birth certificate as it seems my great nan used another surname when she married other than the one on her birth certificate. She was born out of wedlock in a workhouse no father mentioned on the certificate she was named under her mothers maiden name. She was baptised under that name also and kept that surname till the 1881 census. When she married in 1886 her surname had changed and it states her fathers name and in brackets dead . We have checked and double checked and it does seem to be the right person we are looking at. ???

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Anglesey / Re: Henry Jones and family menai anglesey
« on: Monday 17 April 17 18:25 BST (UK)  »
Hello again, have you any news on the birth certificate ?
 Also if anyone reads this I have the burial record for Henry Jones on Find My Past. It states his burial as 1934 which we knew was when he died, and at Llandysillio his address Well St . There is an x marked on the record and the curate who wrote out the record has marked and underlined what looks like it says x buried in ancient portion x if anyone can look at the record for me and give any idea's as to what it says  I would be very grateful. The record is under Anglesey Burials. Llandysillio page no. 27 and the number next to his record on list is 210 Thanks.

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Anglesey / Re: Henry Jones and family menai anglesey
« on: Tuesday 07 March 17 21:02 GMT (UK)  »
Hello
 So pleased you came across all this, now I have some more information to go on thank you. It is very confusing at times with such a name as Jones. It is easy to be following a line with all the same Christian names and similar dates of birth ect only to find months later that it is the wrong family.  It is really good to come across someone who is actually a distant relative ! I wonder if the Thomas I believed to be Henry's brother living at Tylywyn  would have been a cousin or neighbour. The witnesses on Henry and Elizabeth marriage certificate 1895 are Thomas J Jones and Mary E? looks like Francis but cannot be sure. I'm sure he would have been your Grt grandad. Please let us know what you find from the birth certificate .

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Lincolnshire / Re: Help !
« on: Tuesday 10 January 17 15:40 GMT (UK)  »
Hello thanks for that, her and her siblings were all baptised within a few weeks of each other when they eventually settled in derby. My nan was 11 at that time. Is being Baptised the same as being christened ? sorry to appear dim I don't know.
Yvonne

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Lincolnshire / Re: Help !
« on: Tuesday 10 January 17 14:15 GMT (UK)  »
Hello again Ray. Why do you mention the name Harriet , not heard of that name before. Is there a birth mentioned anywhere with that Christian name ? I will go and do a search on the birth registers and try it if so. Many thanks
Yvonne

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Lincolnshire / Re: Help !
« on: Tuesday 10 January 17 14:11 GMT (UK)  »
Hello Roopat yes I know West Dereham and have traced most of the Coldham line , I meant to say Norfolk. The Bishops transcripts and searchable church records on line for Norfolk record most of the family births and baptisms for the Coldhams through the years when Louisa Sarah Coldham was born. Her parents and the rest of their off spring are recorded. We did wonder if she had been Baptised / registered with different Christian names as their are quite a few that would match her birth year. As for my nan we have scoured the birth registers on line with other Christian names but none match up with the date of birth or area she is supposed to have been born in. Confusing. Thanks for your input.

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Lincolnshire / Re: Help !
« on: Monday 09 January 17 22:03 GMT (UK)  »
Hello Ray.
The marriage was at St. Peters church Clerkenwell 4th Feb 1886.
Alfred James Churchyard bachelor age 23 occupation Cooper 36 Crompton Buildings Holborn father James Churchyard Tile Maker.
Louisa Sarah Coldham spinster age 18 36 Crompton Buildings  father Thomas Coldham and in brackets it says Dead.
Witnesses were Walter Levington or Levingston and Margaret Maria Wright.

On some of the birth certificates of nans siblings Alfreds occupations are as follows 1887-91 Cooper Journeyman.
1897-1898 Railway Signalman Bedfordshire ( also in the Amalgamated Society of Railway Servants records for 1897 listed as Signalman. Also in the Grimsby court case of 1886 ( news paper snippet fined for not having a dog license ) he is reported as being a Railway signal man.
1900 Railway Porter at Colwick Notts on birth certificate.
1901 Brewers Drayman Derby
1907/8 in court in Derby for stealing potatoes recorded as railway employee along with another chap ( Derby news paper )
1911 census Carter for Railway
When he died in 1922 he was employed as a Gas works carter
His family on his mothers side had pubs and beerhouses from when he was born in Suffolk and later in Bedfordshire. he moved on from there but his siblings and mother remained in Bedfordshire.
Louisa<> Sarah Coldham was born in West Dereham Suffolk according to census records but that's another mystery ah ! Her father Thomas Coldham I have traced in that area but it seems he may not have been (dead ) when the marriage took place. I believe her family moved to Rotherham where her mother died in the late 1880's 90's and her father in about 1917 but all that bit is another sleuth. Thanks for your time.
Yvonne
 




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Lincolnshire / Re: Help !
« on: Monday 09 January 17 21:04 GMT (UK)  »
Yes it is possible as both the Churchyard and Coldham families had connections all over really. I believe Sarah Coldhams  parents ended up in Rotherham.  ??? Thanks for your input

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