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Ireland / Re: Robert Pegler's wife Jane
« on: Saturday 10 November 18 15:01 GMT (UK)  »
Hi all,

Thank you all so much for all of this fantastic advice - this gives me lots to go on and I'm so grateful!  :)

I feel like I'm possibly getting somewhere now, you're all brilliant thank you!  :D

I've posted again in the Derry section, as advised so fingers crossed! I'm off to look in to all of your suggestions - I'll keep you updated!

Thanks again!

Selina

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Derry (Londonderry) / POSSIBLY, KILLEA, KILREA or KILURE - Jane, the wife of Robert Pegler
« on: Saturday 10 November 18 14:59 GMT (UK)  »
Hi all,

I have originally posted in the Ireland (General) section here: https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=802998.0 regarding my 5th Great Grandmother that I'm trying to trace.

I'm trying to find the maiden surname of Jane, born around 1779, the wife of my 5th Great Grandfather, Robert Pegler, b. 1777 in Bremhill. On one of the censuses she is written as being born in Belfast and on the 1851 census, in what looks like Kilear, Londonderry. She died in Bremhill, Wiltshire in 1866.

I estimate that they may have got married around 1800 but I'm unable to find their marriage in Wiltshire and wonder if it could possibly have taken place in Ireland.

All of their children were baptised in to the Church of England.

They are:

Eleanor, b. 1802, Bremhill, Wiltshire
Anne, b. 1805, Bremhill, Wiltshire
Steward, b. 1808, Bremhill, Wiltshire (I thought this spelling was unusual and possibly incorrect, but it continues on censuses throughout his life, so thought this could possibly be a clue?)
Mary, b. 1810, Bremhill, Wiltshire
Susanna, b. 1817, Bremhill, Wiltshire

In each census they're in Bremhill in Wiltshire. On the 1851 census, Jane's place of birth looks like it's written as Kilear, Londonderry, Ireland - I've been advised that this could be Killea, Kilrea or Kilure - I've also been advised that there are some Stewards in Kilrea so I think this possibly could be a clue.

I also noticed on the 1851 census that they live next door to the Wesleyan Methodist Chapel. Could this be significant?

I'd appreciate any help at all in tracking down their marriage and eventually (hopefully!) finding Jane's maiden surname.

Thank you,

Selina

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Ireland / Re: Robert Pegler's wife Jane
« on: Friday 09 November 18 17:17 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Maiden Stone,

Thank you for your reply.

All of their children were baptised in to the Church of England.

They are:

Eleanor, b. 1802, Bremhill, Wiltshire
Anne, b. 1805, Bremhill, Wiltshire
Steward, b. 1808, Bremhill, Wiltshire (I thought this spelling was unusual and possibly incorrect, but it continues on censuses throughout his life, so thought this could possibly be a clue?)
Mary, b. 1810, Bremhill, Wiltshire
Susanna, b. 1817, Bremhill, Wiltshire

I hadn't considered that he could have been in the army - I'm a complete amateur and wasn't aware that the conflicts occurred around the time that Robert was in his twenties. There aren't any military records coming up on Ancestry and when I've searched for a marriage with Robert's name
alone and no bride name, the only result that is coming up is a Rupertus Piegler in Salzburg, Austria. I'd always immediately dismissed this as my Ancestry subscription does not cover Europe and I thought that this couldn't have been right at all. But now I'm wondering if this could now be a possibility?

In each census they're in Bremhill in Wiltshire. On the 1851 census, Jane's place of birth looks like it's written as Kilear, Londonderry, Ireland - I've googled Kilear but can't seem to find it so think it's possibly spelled wrong?

They don't have any lodgers or visitors during any of the censuses or any Irish neighbours - although in the 1851 census I've found that one of their nearby neighbours (Ralph Besant) had some visitors and the wife, Elizabeth Besant was born in Liverpool - bit of a stretch though.

Also I noticed on the 1851 census that they live next door to the Wesleyan Methodist Chapel. Could this be significant?

Robert's occupation is an agricultural labourer.

I'm so grateful for all of your help, thank you so much!

Selina

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Note on a burial
« on: Friday 09 November 18 13:39 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you all for this!

In case you were interested, I found details of my ancestor's death in the newspaper for the time. He died suddenly on his way home from his duties for the Prudential Assurance Company, aged 72.

He mentioned to a neighbour that he felt tired and then collapsed, "death ensuing immediately".

An inquest was held at the police station and the doctor gave the opinion that death was due to natural causes, accelerated by the extra exertion he had undergone that day, which caused syncope (which I found out is a fancy word for fainting!). The jury returned a verdict in accordance with the medical testimony.

The newspaper mentioned that he had been in exceptionally good health until that day, not having required medical assistance for 50 years! I hope I've inherited some of these fantastic genes haha!  :D

It seems he was buried the day after the inquest, so I was wondering why the coroner would still have ordered him to be buried so quickly if they believed that his death was of natural causes, but thank you Stan for answering my question already!  :)

This is a great forum with such knowledgeable people and I've always been given such speedy, helpful advice.

Thanks again! :D

Selina

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Wiltshire Lookup Requests / Re: Marriage: Robert PEGLER and Jane
« on: Friday 09 November 18 13:28 GMT (UK)  »
Hi aghadowey,

Thank you for your reply.

Thank you for the information, I wasn't aware that civil registration began that late.

I'm hoping that somehow I will break through this brick wall one day and will keep searching!

Thanks again!

Selina

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Ireland / Re: Robert Pegler's wife Jane
« on: Friday 09 November 18 13:24 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Maiden Stone,

Thank you for your reply and sorry it's taken me a while to get back to you.

Their children were all born in Bremhill in Wiltshire, so my original thought was that Jane came over to England at some point and married in Bremhill or somewhere close by as her husband was also born there. However, I haven't so far been able to find a marriage in England so thought I would expand my search. Perhaps they married in Ireland for some reason? However, I've still had no luck.

Thanks,

Selina

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Note on a burial
« on: Saturday 03 November 18 14:57 GMT (UK)  »
Hi,

Please could anyone help me decipher what it says on the left hand side of this burial record please? I can work out 'Orders' but not the first word?

Thank you  :)

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Wiltshire Lookup Requests / Re: Marriage: Robert PEGLER and Jane
« on: Saturday 03 November 18 13:29 GMT (UK)  »
Unfortunately, I still haven't found a marriage. I've popped another post in the Ireland section to cover both areas.

Could they possibly not have been able to afford to get married so never actually did?  ???

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Ireland / Robert Pegler's wife Jane
« on: Saturday 03 November 18 13:28 GMT (UK)  »
Hi all,

I'm really struggling to find the wife of my 5th Great Grandfather, Robert Pegler, b. 1777 in Bremhill.

I know her name is Jane and she was born in Ireland around 1779. On one of the censuses she is written as being born in Belfast and on another, in Londonderry.

I can't find a marriage for them anywhere so I'm unable to find out her maiden name. I've searched both in Wiltshire and in Ireland on Ancestry and FamilySearch.

I'd be so grateful of any help at all.

Thank you,

Selina

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