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Quote from: lizzieliza on Monday 19 October 09 09:47 BST (UK)

Hi there.
Many thanks to you all for your help, very much appreciated.
Liz

I am Claud Butler's son. John Morgan Butler was my grandfather therefore and I researched this information independently some years ago. My father's family was very poor. He built up his business from nothing. Claud's grandmother was Rachel Morgan of Llanwrda, she was illiterate as she signed John Morgan's birth certificate with a cross. The father's name does not appear. I therefore believe it possible my grandfather, when he married, made up the name Martin Butler, a gentleman, or else he had been told this to cover up his illegitimacy. Rachel is unlikely to have brought him up and it is likely he had relatives across the valley who did this. He then moved to London as a draper,  like so many from west Wales at the time. I have a photo of him in London in the 1920s and plenty of family stories about him. My father never spoke of him, my mother though had some things to say about him. My sister, 10 years older than me, lives in the States and knew him as a child but knew nothing about his welsh origins. I wish I knew more about him. But I don't know who you are - do get in touch if you wish. I would love to hear from you.

Hi there.
Many thanks to you all for your help, very much appreciated.
Liz

I am Claud Butler's son. John Morgan Butler was my grandfather therefore and I researched this information independently some years ago. My father's family was very poor. He built up his business from nothing. Claud's grandmother was Rachel Morgan of Llanwrda, she was illegitimate as she signed John Morgan's birth certificate with a cross. The father's name does not appear. I therefore believe it possible my grandfather, when he married, made up the name Martin Butler, a gentleman, or else he had been told this to cover up his illegitimacy. Rachel is unlikely to have brought him up and it is likely he had relatives across the valley who did this. He then moved to London as a draper,  like so many from west Wales at the time. I have a photo of him in London in the 1920s and plenty of family stories about him! My father never spoke of him, my mother though had some things to say about him. My sister, 10 years older than me, lives in the States and knew him as a child but knew nothing about his welsh origins. I wish I knew more about him. But I don't know who you are - do get in touch if you wish. I would love to hear from you.