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Thank you both very much - this is fabulous find for me - to be able to see where he worked! I hve been able to get pictures for my family history book I am writing - thank you again for your time on this - it really is appreciated.

Thank you for trying - i am perplexed as to where they all were, however your help has meant I am even more sure this is the right bloodline now. Frank Walter was the brother of Florence, who has the two illegitimate boys Robert Frank Walter Coenen and Johannes Coenen. Because she did not put her name on the birth certificate (it looks like father of the boys out his legal wife name on with Florence as a middle name) it has been difficult to be really certain this is the right family. But now I am more sure. thank you all again.

Hello - can anyone help me find out where the Kerr family went to between 1901 and c1920.

Robert John Kerr 1866 - 1939
Helena Warwick 1865-1934 (married 1888)
Children per 1901 census
Jessie Edith Mabel Kerr 1891 (she was a servant in 1911 and is the only one I can find a census record for)
Robert Charles Kerr 1893
Maud Vincent Kerr 1896 - 1944
Florence Lydia Kerr 1899 - 1977

note - these names and dates are right and verified in different ways - there is a similar family with similar childrens names that is not this family.

Father Robert John - after the 1901 record I can find nothing more for him except on sons wedding record - but then his occupation has changed from Farrier (taken from multiple records) to fireman.

Mother Helena, again nothing for her following the 1901 records.

Eldest daughter  - Jessie - she was working at the Granville Hotel Marylebone London, 1911 (note her birthplace is India.) She married in 1912 and I can find her in the 1939 register. One child Peggy.

Son - Robert Charles Kerr - I have some record o him living in Kent in 1913, But nothing in the 1911 census.

Daughter Maud Vincent  - nothing from the 1901 census to her marriage in 1924.

Daughter Florence Lydia Kerr (this is my direct relative that I am interested in) nothing from the 1901 census to the birth certificate of Johannes Coenen, her eldest son, born in Leicester. Note - her name is said to be Mary Florence Coenen formally Nowell, on the birth certificate - which I think is a mix of the father of Johannes actual wife at the time (Mary Jane Gay Nowell) and hers.

Did the family leave the country? Can you help me find them in the 1911 census? I am trying to piece how Florence got from Walthamstow in essex to Leicester and then to Manchester a few years later.

Many thanks for any help or suggestions Gail

Hello

I am trying to establish whether an ancestor served in the first world war. I have been unable to find any records for him, but I am not very good at this!

Johannes Meinardus Coenen (Born Sasbagh as his father was illegitimate but always used grandfathers name Coenen which was formally changed in 1906 for him and his father) NOTE - his father has exactly the same as him.

JM Coenen - also known as Joseph Maurice coenen - feb 1894 - Dec 1956.
(He had a son, also Joseph, who died in the second world war.)

Johannes Mijnardus Coenen was born on 17 Feb 1894 in Amsterdam, Noord-Holland, Netherlands as the only child of Johannes Meinardus Coenen (born Sasbach) and Wilhelmina Massee.  His birth name as registered in the Netherlands at birth was Johannes Mijnardus Sasbach (also spelt Sassbagh). He used the first names Joseph Maurice / Morris as he got older.

Johannes Mijnardus Coenen was educated at  Addison Gardens School, admitted on 27th August 1901 aged 7 - name Johann Coenen, so even though birth name Sasbach not yet officially changed, was using Coenen as his surname.  He was living in 40 Lena Gardens, Fulham, London, the address is shown on both school admission records. No parents names on school records.

In 1911 census he was  still living in 40 Lena Gardens, Shepherds Bush Road, Hammersmith.   Joseph was shown as a music student, and he went on to become preficent in the Cello.

On 7th March 1913, when he was 19, Joseph married Mary Jane Gay Nowell, daughter of George Henry Nowell and Mary Gay Partridge, in Quebec, Canada. Dates would suggest they 'had to' get married due to Mary being pregnant, so it is possible they emmigrated to Canada when they found out Mary was pregnant, got married, and then Violet was born 9th May 1913.  Joseph and Mary Coenen returned to London, England in Aug 1913 and their second child Nellie, was born in October 1916.

n 1917 Joseph Coenen was performing in picture houses in Aberdeen and other places, (evidenced through newspaper cuttings) and so was clearly travelling around with work.

However by late 1917, when Joseph was 23, he appears to have been in a relationship with Florence Lydia Kerr, daughter of Robert John Kerr and Helena Warwick, Because  Josephs' son, Joseph Coenen (1918 - 1942) was born 29th June 1918 .

newspaper articles suggest Joseph Coenen was living in Aberdeen from July 1917 to January 1918 and one refers to him playing with the 2nd Buitallion Gordon Highlanders, however there are no records to suggest he was a member of the 2nd Bitallion Gordon Highlanders, but it does beg the question whether or not he did any national service during the war - I can not find any records for him. He woudl certainy have been of conscription age, which started in 1916, when he was 22 years old.

Can anyone help me work out if he did any war service at all? Many thanks

Gail