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Lancashire / Re: William Rogers (of Wingrove & Rogers)
« on: Sunday 24 October 21 09:53 BST (UK)  »
I have just been updating the Wikipedia entry for Wingrove & Rogers, and noticed this old thread. One way to find William Rogers is through his patents - as they list his home address. So for example his patent in 1938 lists his address as 24 Harthill Road, Liverpool 18 - so with luck he will still be there come the 1939 register. His patent of 1922 shows him to be living at 16 Ensworth Road, Mossley Hill, Liverpool. Just found 1919 patent restates Ensworth Road address, but also says late of 9 Arlington Avenue, Wavertree. Have now tracked him back to a 1915 patent when he was foreman for the Automatic Telephone Manufacturing Co and his address was 9 Arlington Avenue, Greenbank Road, Liverpool (GB16827).

I realise this is an old thread, but I thought the use of addresses from patents might have broader applicability even if the original poster doesn't see this note. Of course only a few talented individuals leave patents behind for us, but it is often the case that they will produce many over their lives.

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Essex Lookup Requests / Re: Unusual surname Tarvin Halstead/Steeple Bumpstead
« on: Saturday 22 September 18 15:43 BST (UK)  »
Oh dear. Looking up the Tarbins in the newspaper archive has hit a wealth of accounts of them being up before the magistrate c 1840 onwards, and not just one member of the family but several, and from Stambourne (already identified as the home of the Tarvins).

I don't think these are very likely to be the same Tarvin family that was in the North-West, and the Tarbin name doesn't seem to be present in the North West either. Never mind, I will have to do some more digging.

Thanks everyone for your suggestions.
Steve

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Essex Lookup Requests / Re: Unusual surname Tarvin Halstead/Steeple Bumpstead
« on: Saturday 22 September 18 11:21 BST (UK)  »
It certainly looks like Robesur was right about Tarbin being an alternative to Tarvin in East Anglia, and it seems the census takers vary in the spellings they record, as in 1881 census there are 24 Tarbins in Essex, in 1891 there are none, and in 1901 there are 18 in Essex. In 1871 there is only one Tarbin in all UK, and thats in Yorkshire. So I think there are Tarbens, Tarbuns, Tarbins and Tarvins all swapping about according to what the census takers decide - and maybe some more variations too.

I found a record of a Robert Tarbin in Chelmsford Chronicle for 1834, just 18 and in trouble with the law, as he had offended before he was ordered to be transported for 7 years, for his part in the theft of 5 chickens ! Tough justice. I can't figure out how to upload an image onto this - which is a shame. Did 'transported' mean Australia, or did we transport to America too?

Steve

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Essex Lookup Requests / Re: Unusual surname Tarvin Halstead/Steeple Bumpstead
« on: Saturday 22 September 18 10:00 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: robesur on Saturday 22 September 18 09:40 BST (UK)
The Tarvin name found in Steeple Bumpstead is an alternative probably a misheard version of the surname TARBIN, or sometimes TARBEN. Still rare but several in the South Suffolk/North Essex area of East Anglia

Thanks, I will look into that. I have considered quite a few variations, but had missed swapping the V for a B. The root of the village name Tarvin is thought to be from the Welsh for boundary 'terfyn' which I am fairly sure is pronounced 'tervin'. So I explored those variations, but missed this one.

Steve

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Essex Lookup Requests / Re: Unusual surname Tarvin Halstead/Steeple Bumpstead
« on: Saturday 22 September 18 00:37 BST (UK)  »
Thanks for that Wendy.

I might be being caught out here by gaps in the records - as I can see there are Tarvin's in Lancashire in the 1851 census, but I can't see any corresponding entries in FreeBMD, or in 1841 census (using the free access to UK Census Online).

I also found an advert for a concert 'For the benefit of Sally Tarvin, of Manchester (late of Shaw Chapel)', with Sally apparently lead vocalist - and the concert was 13th July 1767. So Tarvins in Manchester back then.

So maybe the BMD and 1841 census records for some bits of Manchester are missing and leading me astray. But then the Lancashire entries seem to have vanished again in 1861 and 1871 census. Very odd. I hope they weren't travelling musicians !

Steve

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Essex Lookup Requests / Re: Unusual surname Tarvin Halstead/Steeple Bumpstead
« on: Saturday 22 September 18 00:03 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: philipsearching on Friday 21 September 18 23:00 BST (UK)
Quote from: CheshireSteve on Friday 21 September 18 20:06 BST (UK)
there was a Richard Tarvin apparently born Liverpool 1691 who emigrated to USA

Is it possible that he was born in Liverpool while his parents were waiting for a ship?

Philip

So you are suggesting that the fact he was born in Liverpool could be because thats where the ships left from, and not a reflection on where the family came from. That's possible - but if the research of others on Geni is correct then his father was christened in Northenden (South Manchester) in 1653 and died in Liverpool in 1725, and his elder brother died at just 16 weeks old in Chester in 1687. It looks more like there was a Tarvin family in Cheshire/Liverpool c 1680 to 1725, but maybe no males made it to adulthood except for the one who emigrated, and so the name died out. I haven't had a chance to verify the Geni entries - I thought I would try working it the other way round. Find the Tarvin's in the census to see how they were distributed across the country - and then I was stunned how rare the name was, so I thought it might be worth trying to work back towards 1700 and see if things link up.

In 1841 census seems to be 4 Tarvins in Essex (probably one family), and 4 in Hertfordshire (a widow and 3 daughters so that name would have not been passed down), and 7 Tarvens in hampshire - and that is it. Rarest name I have ever looked up.

I'll try a hyperlink to the Geni page .. https://www.geni.com/people/Richard-Tarvin-II/6000000001316301104

Steve

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Essex Lookup Requests / Re: Unusual surname Tarvin Halstead/Steeple Bumpstead
« on: Friday 21 September 18 23:22 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Wendy2305 on Friday 21 September 18 20:51 BST (UK)
Had a quick look on Family Search and most of the Essex Tarvins were born in Essex Stambourn for the older ones and Steeple Bumpsted for the younger ones

Thanks for that. So by older ones I guess up to something like 50 or 60, so that Tarvin line was still in North Essex c 1790 to 1800. I will have to dig in some parish records. So the ones that BMD show as in Halstead, could have been living in Stambourne, and born there too, as I think Stambourne falls under Halstead registration district.

Steve

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Essex Lookup Requests / Re: Unusual surname Tarvin Halstead/Steeple Bumpstead
« on: Friday 21 September 18 20:06 BST (UK)  »
Oh yes, there was a Richard Tarvin apparently born Liverpool 1691 who emigrated to USA, but there are no Tarvin's in Cheshire in any census return (1841 - 1911), so if there are Tarvin's left in UK then they moved out of Cheshire, and just about the only ones on the BMD are the Essex ones - hence me asking for a census lookup trying to see if there are any clues if they moved there from elsewhere. 1851 census is the earliest that has place of birth, so might be useful.

I can look them up myself if I can wait until Tuesday when out village library is open. Though I would ask here though.

Odd to find a surname where there are only maybe 10 or 20 people in the whole country with it back in 19th century. You would think it would make things easy to track down.

Steve


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The Common Room / Re: How to get a bulk correction to UK BMD errors
« on: Friday 21 September 18 17:22 BST (UK)  »
What a damned awful form - it took me about 12 goes to report the error in the 1910 births. What on earth is a GRO fiche? Does that come with chips? Very unclear what you put in the source box in the end I just put "Your JPEG".

Steve

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