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Norfolk Lookup Requests / Re: Marriage of Julia Bloye & John Laird prior to 1813
« on: Wednesday 13 April 16 15:37 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Barbara F on Sunday 03 April 16 10:57 BST (UK)
Thanks for this amondg.

John seems to be the son of Benjamin and his wife Susan baptised 11 Apr 1809.  John's wife Susanna was formerly Hubbard and they married 28 Mar 1833.

When I get some time I will need to revisit the Laird family.

Barbara


I am wondering if William, John (1777) father (married 1760s) was the brother of the older Benjamin that can be seen in the Death Index ?

I have sketched out a tree with William & Benjamin as the oldest Generation, but no obvious way of seeing if they were brothers.

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Norfolk Lookup Requests / Re: Marriage of Julia Bloye & John Laird prior to 1813
« on: Monday 04 April 16 14:24 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: amondg on Sunday 03 April 16 07:45 BST (UK)
John Laird age 77 was buried 30 March 1854 at All Saints Kings Lynn of Windsor Road.
His birth date would be 1777.

There is also a John Laird age 54 buried 7 August 1863 of Union Street, accidentally killed by the Lynn Hunstanton Railway on 3 August 1863. This unfortunate event probably made the papers and may give relatives names.

Also Susanna Laird age 54 died 27 August 1863 of injuries caused by Hunstanton railway accident 3 August 1863.

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There is a copy of the newspaper report headline Hunstanton Line Crash 1863

Thanks for that information ... sad story indeed.

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Norfolk Lookup Requests / Re: Marriage of Julia Bloye & John Laird prior to 1813
« on: Friday 01 April 16 10:46 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Barbara F on Friday 01 April 16 10:22 BST (UK)
I saw those too yesterday Dolly.

When I have a moment I will type out a list of the people named in Robert Bloye's will.  It is annoying that he only referes to "the children of John Laird" and does not name them !

Interesting information findem and worth exploring further .

Barbara

Look forward to seeing the names Barbara !

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Perhaps John & Julia used 'Bloye' for their daughter's middle name as a tribute to his sister's new name & Husband ? Such practice wasn't always a straightforward carrying-on of a previous Maiden name ..... I am given to understand ?

I have discussed this with my cousin again, and we have recalled other examples - so its the popular option here now - LOL.

So that marriage to a Julia Lloyd is beginning to look very good - given the rarity of the names, it must be a highly probable candidate ... but no idea how to prove it !

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Norfolk Lookup Requests / Re: Marriage of Julia Bloye & John Laird prior to 1813
« on: Friday 01 April 16 10:42 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: findem on Friday 01 April 16 00:54 BST (UK)

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"My cousin had a theory that the Scottish name suddenly appeared in Norfolk about the time that Bonny Prince Charlie's Army retreated north from England - maybe a deserter ? Nice thought haha !"

I have read that Queen Victoria made it possible for Scots to come down to England and farm, which is why there have been quite a number of Scots surnames in Essex going back to Queen Victoria's reign, no doubt it applied to other counties.

Didn't know that; but sadly doesn't apply - this name appears in the Kings Lynn area mid 1700's.

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Norfolk Lookup Requests / Re: Marriage of Julia Bloye & John Laird prior to 1813
« on: Thursday 31 March 16 17:13 BST (UK)  »
Robert Bloye hailed from the Kings Lynn area too !  He made post-rank in 1815, and eventually Rear Admiral by seniority in 1846  ...

http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/42017.html

Also his wife is described as the Aunt of Henry Laird Cox, a Naval Surveyor ..

http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/42018.html

 They were bequeathed to the Museum by a descendant, Isobel Roe, in 1968 with those of the Bloyes (MNT0068, MNT0069, Cox's aunt and naval uncle) and another family portrait (PAG6466).

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Norfolk Lookup Requests / Re: Marriage of Julia Bloye & John Laird prior to 1813
« on: Thursday 31 March 16 16:10 BST (UK)  »
Thank you for all that extra info Barbara. Sadly I let my Ancestry sub expire, and of course have missed the recent free Easter extravaganza ! I thought I recalled recently a free site for PCC wills, but cant find a reference now.

No worries, your insights would seem to suggest that John is indeed the son of William Laird & Mary Austin.

I agree, the William born 1865 and passing in 1809 would seem to fit.

I recall searching on FreeReg and seeing a Laird (?Benjamin?) burial register entry for Lynn which stated 'Gunner Royal Navy' - so maybe as well as Bakers, the Lairds were seamen !

My cousin had a theory that the Scottish name suddenly appeared in Norfolk about the time that Bonny Prince Charlie's Army retreated north from England - maybe a deserter ? Nice thought haha !

Perhaps John & Julia used 'Bloye' for their daughter's middle name as a tribute to his sister's new name & Husband ? Such practice wasn't always a straightforward carrying-on of a previous Maiden name ..... I am given to understand ?

Not sure how one would pursue that London Marriage or the history of Julia Lloyd ?

Its really great that you have taken such an interest - hope its also helpful to you and your Husband's tree !

Kind Regards, D

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Norfolk Lookup Requests / Re: Marriage of Julia Bloye & John Laird prior to 1813
« on: Thursday 31 March 16 15:27 BST (UK)  »
Oh well done for locating Robert Bloye's will! Do have an online link?

I too have some doubts about the links, but given that our man is the highly probable bro-in-law (newly found Parish records from Portsea, and the likelihood that the 1764 Marriage in Lynn of a William Laird to a Mary Austin are the likely same parents shown in Portsea Register), and that we don't know if William's description of 'Gentleman' is linked to any affluence (page 2 of his will shows 'Effects: Less than £20')  ..... I think there may be hope!

We don't know what John Laird did or where he was from 1777 to 1813 when his oldest child was born in Lynn, did he come back to his parents town? - I suspect that father William was a Navy Man ?) ..... so when did he and Mary come back to Lynn?

I am not directly related, am doing some research with a maternal cousin for some years now (she is a descendant of Mary Bloye Laird) & this came up again - really pleased to see there are some more clues !

Kind Regards. D

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Norfolk Lookup Requests / Re: Marriage of Julia Bloye & John Laird prior to 1813
« on: Thursday 31 March 16 10:41 BST (UK)  »
Many thanks to all who have replied to my query.

Of special interest is the Portsea Baptism - I was assured by a local researcher some years back that there "NO Lairds in the Registers ..." - just goes to show !

Now wondering if this William is the man who married a Mary Austin in 1764, Lynn St Nicholas ?

Thank you Barbara for the link from 2006. I have an inkling who that may be, so will try & get back in touch.

I am intrigued by the East London Marriage reference to a Julia Lloyd too !

My appreciation for all the help - Dolly.

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Norfolk Lookup Requests / Marriage of Julia Bloye & John Laird prior to 1813
« on: Wednesday 30 March 16 15:29 BST (UK)  »
Julia's surname is a guess based on the middle name of a daughter, Mary Bloye Laird born c1816, Lynn ....

Julia died in Lynn, 1839 at the age of 53 - giving an approx. birth year of 1786.

John Laird and his 3 daughters are in Lynn for the 1841 census - the eldest girl Sarah Julia was born c1813 in Lynn.

John is around in 1851 and gives his Birthplace as Portsmouth Hants c 1777. But I doubt that - there was a clan of Lairds in the Lynn area from the mid 1700s ..... but that's by the bye.

I have searched fruitlessly over the years for their Marriage - in the last few years more records were made available and I found Julia's death record from the Parish Registers.

I wonder if a fresh pair of eyes may have better luck?

My searches focused on the Kings Lynn area, but I did look further afield to no avail.

My thanks in anticipation, Dolly

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