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I know you’re asking about a marriage but do you have Alice’s birth certificate  - I ask as it’s registered as being in Ticehurst Sussex, not Kent though there is a suggestion of there being a bit of boundary flexibility in that area. Why do you think they were married at Tunbridge Wells?

Frant is in the Ticehurst reg district.

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Lincolnshire / Re: Marriage 1941
« on: Today at 02:58 »
I really hope this isn't a giant rabbit hole  ::) But I am enjoying looking at these people anyway.

Father’s Denial: Domestic Tangle at Grimsby. Grimsby News, 25 January 1929

An extraordinary domestic tangle was revealed at the Grimsby Borough Police Court on Friday when a 17 years old girl, Violet Mullinger was charged with stealing a lady’s bicycle. The girl pleaded guilty to the charge. The cycle was the property of Dorothy Hall, of 36 Cromwell Road, Grimsby, and it was stolen from Moody Lane.
Det-Inspector Birtles said that the cycle was stolen on January 8th. On January 13th a man named Woolas brought the girl to the police station with the stolen bicycle and she admitted that she had stolen it.
The defendant had nothing to say except that she was sorry.
Supt. Tarttelin said that the girl was 17 years of age and a native of Grimsby; she was at the Edward street School until she was 14, then also worked in her grandmother’s house for two years. She returned home for a month and then entered domestic service. She was only in this situation a week, however, when she was taken away, it was believed by her mother.  It was ascertained that the girl had stolen 4s from her employer.
In November last, continued the Superintendent, the woman with whom the girl’s father was living told her to leave the house on account of going out on the previous Sunday night when she was told not to. She slept in a wash-house at her Grandmother’s house for a week. At the end of this period she was discovered by her father and taken back home.
It appears that the girl left home again on the 8th  inst, after a quarrel with her father’s housekeeper. She slept out again for two nights. The girl’s own mother was living with another man, and it was he who brought the girl to the police station with the stolen bicycle. 
Her  father was a plasterer and lived with this woman at 65, Edward Street. ‘Quite a mix-up” said Supt. Tarttelin in conclusion.
The girl’s father was called before the Stipendary. the latter asked him if he had been a party to turning the girl out of the house. Mullinger replied he had not.
The Stipendary:- This woman you are living with did then ___ That is not true; it is another of her lies.
Mullinger said he reported the girl as missing on the next day, and he was not aware that she was sleeping out in the wash-house at her grandmother’s.
“You seem to have shockingly neglected this girl in the past with this result” said the Stipendary to Mullinger. The latter said in reply to the Magistrate, that he could look after her if she were sent home for a week.
‘I don’t know how you have got your affairs in this mess, but the result is your daughter is here charged with theft’ added the Stipendary.
The case was adjourned for a week.


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Lincolnshire / Re: Marriage 1941
« on: Today at 02:54 »
I couldn't wait for the Northern Hemisphere to wake up - and downloaded Lily Woolis Sharpe's birth

Note the date of birth 08 Jul 1916
same as Teresa Hibbert in 1939.

I think there were 3 4 children born to Deborah Lois SHARPE when she was with Mr Mullinger

   MULLINGER, DAISY       SHARP 
GRO Reference: 1913  S Quarter in GRIMSBY  Volume 07A  Page 1144
   MULLINGER, DEBORAH  LUCY     SHARP 
GRO Reference: 1909  S Quarter in GRIMSBY  Volume 07A  Page 619
   MULLINGER, VIOLET  ELIZABETH     SHARP 
GRO Reference: 1911  D Quarter in GRIMSBY  Volume 07A  Page 1058
(added - Violet was a twin
MULLINGER, JAMES  HENRY     SHARP 
GRO Reference: 1911  D Quarter in GRIMSBY  Volume 07A  Page 1059
He was killed when knocked off his motorbike in 1936)


then in 1921 is

MULLINGER, ERIC  FRANCIS     - 
GRO Reference: 1921  D Quarter in GRIMSBY  Volume 07A  Page 1008

but on FreeBMD mmn is given as STORR

these match this clip at the death of Deborah Lucy/Lucy Deborah


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Lincolnshire / Re: Marriage 1941
« on: Today at 01:32 »
Deborah & John Woollas finally married in 1953

Marriages Mar 1953   (>99%)
MULLINGER    Deborah L    WOOLLAS    Louth    3b   864   
WOOLLAS    John W    MULLINGER    Louth    3b   864    

Added.

Perhaps so she could have a passport as in November 1953 they are returning from South Africa.
Address 334a, Park road, Dingle, Liverpool 8.  Added - I wonder if this is the address of George William born 1919, as he was in Liverpool in 1962 and died in 1965

In 1939 there are 3 redacted entries with them.

Louth, Brumptons Cott North End Tetney

Frustratingly John William is often James William or just James on the electoral rolls.  But I am reasonably sure it is the same man.

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Lincolnshire / Re: Marriage 1941
« on: Yesterday at 22:59 »
Jill is Jill Deborah.
There is a Lily Woollas born 1916/daughter of John William and Deborah Lois
Also George William born 1919

Having great trouble finding registrations but I think Deborah Lois was nee Sharpe previously married to Mullinger
And this is Lily’s birth

SHARPE, LILY  WOOLLIS     - 
GRO Reference: 1916  S Quarter in GRIMSBY  Volume 07A  Page 1082

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Lincolnshire / Re: Marriage 1941
« on: Yesterday at 22:21 »
I didn’t know she’d obtained a copy of her MC

She was married in 1934, but look at the date where it says "witness my hand" 16th April 1940. The original would have been issued at the time of the wedding.

Jill, according to a tree,  was born 4th February 1940 (tree says her mother was LILY Woollas) they do not have her birth cert, but they do have her death cert which says she is of the Children’s Home, Horncastle. Daughter of Harry HIBBERT, engineer’s fitter.  Harry is the informant and his address is 20 Heneage Rd, Grimsby.

So..that is quite a distance apart.  Was the marriage certificate needed to prove they were married before admitting a baby to a children’s home? 
But if that was the case it doesn’t fit with mother being Lily Woollas.as that tree has.

Have you seen any of the actual birth certs?

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No, but it’s a very good piece! Thank you.

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A couple of years ago I found somewhere online a document that listed the attendance of children at Sunday School. I would have said it was of several Sunday Schools in the area around or including Wolverhampton. In particular it must have included Darlaston.
It named children, and said what their work was in the week, (filing the rough metal off cast nails was one I recall) and how clean they were when they showed up for Sunday School, and whether their clothes were mended.  How regular their attendance was.. and so on.

I cannot find it now!.  I would be so grateful if anyone knows of this and can direct me to it.


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Nottinghamshire / Re: Joseph James and Marjerie
« on: Yesterday at 01:25 »
Do you know your Joseph’s occupation?
The one who married Mary Butler (marriage licence is dated 1 January 1714/15 -dual calendar ) is a bricklayer
He is 27 & she is 23
Marriage to be at St Mary’s or Snenton

Original image might show Marg/j instead of Mary perhaps?  Haven’t found that yet.

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