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Thank you very much,    Just trying to think where he could be in 1911 when his wife of only 9 months is about to have their first baby,he seemed to always be a dock labourer, have looked on prison records,and newspapers,guess I might never know,but you folk have been so good in trying to help,and I thank you,most sincerely.

Had a breakthrough today! Found John Herron's wife on 1911 census ,employed in a large department store in Southampton,living in,a dressmaker, about to give birth,but no sign of her husband!   She was going under the name of Annie Herring,but mis read,but have been looking for her for a long time!     As a dock labourer he wouldn't be in the army would he?   When the third child was born,they lived in Custom House, east end docks London. That was four years later though.

Firstly,many thanks for your kindness.     I can see maybe WIlliam Curtinborn Dublin could be known to him,but just a lodging house with dock labourers And the like.  Annie Nee Coniam the wife of John,born Devon 1881 married John 14 July 1910 in Register Office Southampton, his name given as Earand! Which in Irish accent sounds like Herron,he couldn't sign so maybe illiterate,or drunk!!!!!
Nothing I can see on cert about catholic,   Married in the Register Office by certificate before me,crossed out is "according to the rites and ceremonies of the ".     William Curtin could write his name witness ,with wife Caroline ,who couldn't.        First child Anne Elizabeth  Harron(on cert) born 23/4/11. Second Mary Helen born22/2/13 name on cert Herron.     I have been to Southampton to see the workhouse books,where they were in and out of,and where they all ended up in 1917..the  mother then left the by then FOUR children and disappeared,   The husband ,John Herron died on 22/4/17 in Isleworth Middlesex,workhouse,of Spanish flu. Age 34.       

This is all I have,John Herron born Dublin,approx1884,father John Herron,farmer.    John married Annie Caroline Coniam in 1910 Southampton,where he was a dock labourer.   He could not sign his name,he said his name in a very broad accent,it was written down as Earand!    On the 1901 census he is in Devonport age19 a dock labourer. He is John Heran then.     He dies in 1917 of the flu age 34.his name then is Heron.   That's it!   Need to know where born in order to get any further,,,he was catholic.   Thanks so much for any help.  I would need to fly to Dublin and stay overnight,so just wonder if any point in doing that!   Pam.

Hi Sue,   No gt grandma dident go to US!   I have John andMary Ann Hawkins orHarding married 1839 BourneGreen.   Have we ever bee in touch?seems we are connected.   Regards Pam