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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Scottish death certificate help
« on: Monday 31 August 20 12:46 BST (UK)  »
Thank you so much - I think you're absolutely right. I can see it now!

Incidentally, that makes sense as I have just heard from Lothian Health Services Archive that he was only in the asylum for a matter of a few months before he died. I still don't know why he ended up in the asylum in Edinburgh if his usual residence was in Glasgow, but I guess the patient records might shed some light on that when I get them.

Thanks again!

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Scottish death certificate help
« on: Monday 31 August 20 12:18 BST (UK)  »
Hello,

I wonder if I could ask for some help with deciphering the handwriting on the attached death certificate from Scotland please?

This is what I've been able to work out myself so far:

John Hughes
Skin Dresser
Widower of Agnes Ferrie

1906, June Thirtieth
9??h 0m am
Royal Asylum Edinburgh
?????? 30 Marlborough Street Glasgow

M

50yrs

John Hughes (deceased)
Mary Hughes M.S. Hughes (deceased)

General Paralysis
duration indefinite
Phthisis Pulmonalis
duration indefinite
?????? (-think this is just the doctor's information which I'm not too bothered about)

M. Savage
Daughter
30 Marlborough Street Glasgow

1906 July 2nd
Edinburgh
John J. ?????? (-not too bothered about this)

As you can see, I've managed to decipher most of it, but the bit I could do with some help with is where he died. I can read Royal Asylum, Edinburgh and something about 30 Marlborough Street, Glasgow - but I'm not sure of the couple of words in between. It seems that his daughter lived in Glasgow so I'm guessing he was in some way connected to 30 Marlborough Street but why he ended up in the asylum in Edinburgh I'm not sure. He was actually born and grew up in Edinburgh, then moved to Liverpool and seemingly ended up in Scotland again after his wife died. I believe asylums kept quite detailed patient records so I have sent off for some information about him to Lothian Health Services Archive. Not expecting anything soon with the coronavirus situation but you never know.

Anyway, if somebody would be able to help me to decipher those couple of words I would be most grateful. Thanks in advance.

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The Common Room / Re: Parentage problems!
« on: Monday 20 August 18 11:39 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: rosie99 on Monday 20 August 18 11:14 BST (UK)
;D   ;D

That is highly likely Mike especially after the 'wine'   

As I posted earlier when Amelia married she and her husband signed someone elses marriage certificate as the bride & groom, the other couple signed Amelia's so the clergy was obviously not doing their job properly.  There was a message posted alongside both certificates to the effect that they were wrong.

Yes that amused me when I first saw it!

Another amusing error in my family research was the cremation record of my great-grandfather. He died and was cremated in 1976, but according to the cremation register, it was his son who was cremated! I can categorically say it wasn't as my grandfather didn't die until 1999. He never knew he had been cremated twice!!

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The Common Room / Re: Parentage problems!
« on: Monday 20 August 18 11:13 BST (UK)  »
Yes, it is definitely a possibility that the priest just made a mistake. At the time of John's baptism, the family had 4 sisters and a brother. So confusing the names of the 4 females is a definite possibility. I just wish Amelia hadn't had a sister called Ellen, or that Ellen wasn't significantly younger. Then it would be easy to prove it was a mistake!

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The Common Room / Re: Parentage problems!
« on: Monday 20 August 18 10:46 BST (UK)  »
That's a very good point. I'm not sure. I wonder if any confirmation registers exist for that church? I'll see what I can find.

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The Common Room / Re: Parentage problems!
« on: Sunday 19 August 18 18:53 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Melbell on Sunday 19 August 18 18:46 BST (UK)
Did you know that the names Amelia and Ellen/Helen are considered to be 'the same' or used for the same person sometimes?

Melbell
I did wonder about that but didn't know if they were interchangeable? The strange thing is that on every other baptism entry for her other children she is Amelia/Ameliae/Emiliae.

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The Common Room / Re: Parentage problems!
« on: Sunday 19 August 18 12:37 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Ruskie on Sunday 19 August 18 12:34 BST (UK)
It's not something I have ever researched (though plenty of others have and will be able to point you in the right direction).

Maybe try a google of the county or parish and see if anything comes up?

Some general information here though there will be tons more on the internet:

https://www.genguide.co.uk/source/bastardy-documents-parish-poor-law/140/

Thanks - I think I will contact a researcher at the local record office to see if any further light can be shed.

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The Common Room / Re: Parentage problems!
« on: Sunday 19 August 18 12:35 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: rosie99 on Sunday 19 August 18 12:33 BST (UK)
I wonder if Amelias husband was Johns father.  Who was he named after  :-\

She had other sons named after her husband, her father and father in law
Well that's the strange thing, there was the odd John here and there in the family but most of them died as infants. There weren't any notable John's kicking about.

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The Common Room / Re: Parentage problems!
« on: Sunday 19 August 18 12:28 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Ruskie on Sunday 19 August 18 12:27 BST (UK)
Presumably you have checked for any bastardy documents for John?  :-\
No that's not something I am familiar with, so that sounds interesting. Do you know where I should start looking for those?

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