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Armed Forces / Re: What does supera in the Royal Navy mean?
« on: Friday 01 September 17 20:11 BST (UK)  »
thanks so much for that  :)

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Armed Forces / What does supera in the Royal Navy mean?
« on: Friday 01 September 17 19:01 BST (UK)  »
I've found a record where the occupation of a man in the Royal Navy in 1871 at Portsmouth is described as "Supera and Gunner RN"  Anyone know what supera means?

There are a few others on the same record described as Supera and Steward and Supera and Sawyer if that is any help

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The Common Room / Re: Free Ancestry Weekend
« on: Friday 25 August 17 11:16 BST (UK)  »
thanks for that  ;D

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The Common Room / Re: My Heritage free censuses for 1 week
« on: Thursday 17 August 17 08:50 BST (UK)  »
thanks so much for posting

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Pembrokeshire / Re: Anne Lifton, Steynton
« on: Monday 10 July 17 09:07 BST (UK)  »
That is so helpful, thanks very much for your reply :)

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Pembrokeshire / Anne Lifton, Steynton
« on: Monday 10 July 17 08:36 BST (UK)  »
I wonder if anyone can help me with a look-up on the 1851 census.

I found Anne Lifton in 1851 (b. 1796 Hubberston) as a visitor at an unknown address.   It seems that the info given might just be just of three of the people at the address and i'd like to know if anyone else was living there at the time and also the street address please.

thanks in anticipation

here's the info i already have

Event Place    Steynton, Pembrokeshire,    Registration District    Haverfordwest
Page Number    7   Registration Number    HO107   Piece/Folio    2477 / 36

John Watts    Lodger          22    Boath, Pembrokeshire
Anne Lifton    Visitor    Married   55    Hubberston, Pembrokeshire   
Elizabeth Lifton    Visitor          25    Llanstadwell, Pembrokeshire

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Carmarthenshire / Re: Wern Wyth, Llanelli
« on: Monday 10 July 17 07:44 BST (UK)  »
with some digging around and looking at the surrounding census pages, I think we're actually a little further out of Llanelli than expected. i think we are actually south of Pontyberem, as I can sort of match the trail of properties. One big giveaway is the property Gwal yr Hwch , a couple of pages back, and from there I can find close by Pentre(y)Mawr, Pentre(y) Bach, Pont Chwith, Cappel bach, Disgwylfa, penybont, tynycwm etc

Here's an old map of the area side by side with a modern aerial view.   I've centred it on the hamlet of Glyn which is just north east of the village of Cynheidre.   If you follow the railway line north a little you come across the properties you mentioned (Disgwylfa and Ty'n y cwm) although I can't find a mention of Wern Wyth there.

I don't think you'll find evidence of Glyn Hamlet on modern maps as that area later became the site of Cynheidre Colliery and I imagine many properties must have been demolished- it was a pretty large site (my dad worked there for years).  The colliery is now unfortunately long gone  but Disgwylfa is still there to the north.




http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/side-by-side/#zoom=16&lat=51.7531&lon=-4.1814&layers=171&right=BingHyb


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Carmarthenshire / Re: Wern Wyth, Llanelli
« on: Friday 07 July 17 08:32 BST (UK)  »
It looks to me like most of  the houses have names - in part of the 1841 census addresses are just "werm" -so maybe the address was  8 Werm??

there was an independant chapel built 1770 named Capel Als (Alice) on Marble Hall Rd/Werm Rd which in 1851 had at least 1000 worshipping there

The description of the enumerator's walk in 1841 is "all that part of the Borough Hamlet lying to the right of the road through the Wern from its junction with Westfal? to ?wppellal?? & from there to Marble Hall

Suz

"The Wern" refers to a rough area of Llanelli which includes the modern day Wern Road and Ann Street  and a lot of the area at the base of Bigyn Hill.    Capel Als is still there at the very north of Wern Road and at the bottom of Marble Hall Road, opposite the pub "The Half Moon".    This area was my paper round when I was a young girl in the 1970s :)

This area is not in the modern Glyn electoral ward, which, as stated earlier is much further north and includes Ponthenri and Sylen etc, but whether it was in the Glyn area in the 1840s I couldn't tell you.

"Westfal?"  I'm not sure about, although it could be Westfa which is one of the old divisions of Llanelli, although I would associate this with the Felinfoel area, but again it might have bordered the Wern area in those days, I couldn't be sure.

"?wppellal??" Mistranslation of Capel Als maybe? sounds phonetically similar

I found this information which might be of interest to you

"Before the advent of the Workhouse in Llanelli, the poor and destitute were given sanctuary and refuge in alms houses. These were situated at The 'Wern', a district of Llanelli that lies below the slopes of Bigyn Hill. Life in these cottages was described in the closing years of the Victorian era, as being 'infinitely more humane than that of the Union Workhouse by which they were succeeded'. The present day 'Cwrt Elusendy', off Wern Road stands in their place."  link below

http://www.llanellich.org.uk/files/258-bryntirion-union-workhouse


Was there more info in the enumerator's walk?  Perhaps a picture might help me make sense of some of the names.   I don't have access to the census to look for myself I'm afraid

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Carmarthenshire / Re: Llanelli / Llanelly map
« on: Thursday 15 December 16 08:03 GMT (UK)  »
Another thanks from me  :)   this will be very handy for my searches

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