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I've done a fair amount of work on your Long family, my link being through Robert Long who founded the school at Burnt Yates. Your ancestor Barnabus was recorded as being a scholar there in 1767.

Andrea Ives has written a book about the founding of this school "Admiral Long's Foundation & Burnt Yates School", which has quite a lot of incidental information about the Long family there as they were intimately involved with the school at that time.

Information about the London end of the Long family is posted on my Kingsman website at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kingsman including transcripts of the wills of the Longs of this family who had moved to London (in the documents section).

I believe, but have no direct proof, that Barnabus was the son of Thomas Long of Ripley. This is based only on the only two Long family charity scholars in Burnt Yates school in 1767 being Thomas and Barnabus. This Thomas was most likely s/o Thomas (baptised 1756) but I have found no corresponding baptism for Barnabus. There were five other Long families in the area having children at that time, Barnabus could alternatively be the child of one of these others.

I'm very happy to share my notes and observations, but they are all in an excel file which cannot be attached on the mail board here. Drop me an e-mail at docwatto at hotmail stop co stop uk if you'd like a copy.

Tyke

My connection with this family is through Ann Long, sister to Rear Admiral Robert Long.  She married Thomas Kingsman in 1709.  Their grandson, William Long Kingsman (b1747) founded a small dynasty of ivory turners in London.  William appears also to have inherited substantial land from both his grandmother and from his great Uncle Robert.

I know from Ann Kingsman's will that she and Robert had at least one other brother, William.

I do not have birthdates for any of the Longs, only dates of death from their wills.  Ann in 1758, Robert in 1771 and William between 1753-1758.

Recorded dates in Robert's naval career were:

From Commissioned Sea Officers of the Royal Navy (1660-1815), he was appointed:

Commander                       3 Oct 1719
Captain                     21 Mar 1727
Superannuated as Rear Admiral   before 1748
Died                                6 July 1771

Robert Long was Rear Admiral of the Blue in 1752 - he is named as such in the Will of Thomas Kingsman (his nephew).

I have lots of information on the Kingsman descendants from this line if you are interested. 

Could you please let me know how Robert Long the admiral fits in witht he line you gave before starting at Robertus in 1583 - I couldn't spot his name in your list.

Regards

Derrick

Karen

Thanks very much for looking. 

Maybe someone will turn them up in the '41 census.  I'm trying to trace them back to find if there is a link between them and my branch of the Beck family - my great aunt believed that there was, but unfortunately never had any details.

Derrick

Val

This is the list as given on the census form - I find some of the relationships confusing.

London, St Katherine Coleman, 100 Fenchurch Street

William Wooding, head, widower, 48, carpenter and builder employing 7 men, Middx Edmonton

John Muick (could be Mirick or Minick), Serv, unmarried, 43, Journeyman carpenter, Middx Hackney

James Wand, Apprentice, unmarried, 17, Apprentice carpenter, Westminster

Elizabeth Muick (sp as above), blank, unmarried, 40, Housekeeper, Middx Hackney

[next page, same address]

Amy Kitson, wife, married, 34, blank, Bucks LingesWest (last is very difficult to decipher)

I guess that John and Elizabeth are siblings, but who is Amy wife to in this household?

Hope this helps

Derrick

Hi Val

This may not help take you back any further, but I think it is a good chance that this is James in 1851:

James Wand, age 17 (b c1834 Westminster) living in St Katherine Coleman, Middlesex. Apprentice to a carpenter.

HO107/1531/227/7

Derrick