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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Re: Eldon Royd, Bradford?
« on: Tuesday 22 August 23 16:17 BST (UK)  »
Ah great, thanks Rosie, very helpful in a not at all useful sort of way unfortunately. It's not even worth me finding out Mrs Campbell's maiden name as she was born in London, since we have no connections there either. And Dr C sounds distinctly Scottish despite being a Londoner, and we have no connections there either (well, not until as far back as Malcolm III anyway).

Looking at the rest of the staff in 1901 they seem to have come from right across England so it seems the Campbells just cast their servant net widely, not relying on family connections.

Thanks again

ETA: The maps show that it is right opposite Eldon Terr and Eldon Place on the other side of Manningham Lane

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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Eldon Royd, Bradford?
« on: Tuesday 22 August 23 15:00 BST (UK)  »
On my 2x great aunt's 1904 marriage cert, church of St Peter, it gives her residence as Eldon Royd, Bradford. But I can't find Eldon Royd on any of the street indexes on Genuki etc, via an address search on the census records, or even just a general google search. There's hits for Eldon Terrace and Eldon Place, so was/is Eldon Royd an area rather than a street name? I can't quite face scrolling through the entire 25-inch Bradford map series until I know it's not a wild goose chase.

She was a lady's maid at the time, and she'd only moved down from Hartlepool a year or two earlier, so I was hoping that finding out who her employer was could possibly give some leads as - as far as I'm aware - we had absolutely no connections to W Yorks at that point.

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Durham / A tale of two Firbys. Or was it just one?
« on: Monday 23 May 22 17:40 BST (UK)  »
This has bugged me since I started five years or so ago - curious to know people’s thoughts on this:

1861 census for Sheraton showing my 2xGG Mary Jane Firby and parents includes her 6-y-o brother Charlton Robert (Charlton being Mary Jane’s grandmother’s MMS).

Quickly found Charlton’s bapt record – 7 Aug 1854 Monk Hesleden.

Searching for birth certs for kids born to Firby & Patterson around that time only brings up one – for an Edmund Firby (same name as the father). Order it – he is clearly born to the correct parents. Shows a birth of 8 July 1854, recorded 11 Aug (ie 4 days after CR’s bapt).

But no other evidence of Edmund Jr exists – I have scrolled PRs for burials from 1854 up to 1858, searched more generously for one online, plus censuses. There’s plenty of evidence for CR though, right into adulthood. In fact, when he married, the announcement said “the only son of Mr J Firby of Shearton” (mind, that’s a mistake, it was E Firby, and they spelled Sheraton wrong too). Obviously, they would still probably say that if the only other son had died in infancy though, I guess?

So my question is – was there a mistake on the birth cert, or did his name change in the four days between baptism and registration? Or is there any chance there was a second brother?

I haven't found any reason to make such a sudden name change – his grandmother Charlton was still alive at the time, and although her parents are still a bit hazy ATM, I don’t see any Charlton burials in Aug 1854 that would trigger a sentimental change of name…
I'm not sure how common a naming mistake like that was on the cert, but as old man Firby (informant) was literate, you’d think he might have said summat if it was wrong?

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The Lighter Side / Re: Might have to buy a lottery ticket this week
« on: Monday 09 May 22 15:42 BST (UK)  »
Oh cool - I found a gravestone of one of my mason forebears years ago but it never occurred to me that he might have carved it himself (his first wife died years earlier) so I might go and inspect his handiwork (and see if the 'handwriting' changes when he's mentioned...)

EDIT: Just checked my info on the 4xGGF mentioned in OP and on two of his children's marriage records from after his death, he was referred to as a quarryman. I wonder if he made the most of the opportunity like yours did...

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The Lighter Side / Might have to buy a lottery ticket this week
« on: Monday 09 May 22 13:05 BST (UK)  »
So at the weekend I paid my first visit to the graveyard where I knew my 4x G-Granda was buried. But as he was an ag lab most of his life and died in 1841, I wasn't holding my breath in the hope of finding a gravestone. As it turns out, I literally could've done so, because it was the second one I looked at. And as a bonus, next to him was the daughter I'd lost track of as soon as she married and became a Smith.

I was stunned - this has never happened to me before and am pretty sure it must be a record of some sort. Even better, his headstone was about 5in thick, so now I'm coming round to thinking that he, his widow, or his children were a little more comfortably off than I have long believed...  8)

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The Common Room / Re: British Newspaper Archive - offer of free access?
« on: Wednesday 13 April 22 22:13 BST (UK)  »
If you think just one month's access to BNA will be enough, sign up via TopCashBack and you'll get 75% or so cashback. I did it a few years ago, and the fiver or so it ultimately cost me was the best I ever spent.

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The Common Room / Re: Once more into the breach - need help working out this pedigree
« on: Wednesday 13 April 22 21:43 BST (UK)  »
Grr, just noticed I must have been even more confused than I thought - I was actually thinking Peter was son of Thomas, but wrote William  ::)

Anyway, thx - yes, I think it becomes much clearer if you remove the text in brackets re Peter's dad, ie:
The elder son, Robert Smytheson of Thornton Watlas, who married – -, and had issue …  an elder son, viz.:

Peter le Smytheson
...

It's just that suggestion/reading that Robert Smytheson might've been Kerperby William's son, but that's not the author's style as I've seen elsewhere, so I think you're right - Peter is Robert's son.

It's also that line "and had issue (together with two other sons…" that kind of threw me. Wonder if the issue in question was a daughter or daughters - just seemed a strange way to put it. Anyway, although I mentioned verifying all this, I pretty much will have to take the author's word for it here though, given the absence of parish records and my lack of Latin / OE skills for where records do exist.

Thanks for the link too, bookmarked.

EDIT: Actually, no, that issue line makes sense now I think - the two 'other sons' are Peter's younger's brothers who just get a mention in passing...

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The Common Room / Once more into the breach - need help working out this pedigree
« on: Wednesday 13 April 22 20:48 BST (UK)  »
Well, as reluctant as I am to even look at other people's versions of my family trees (much less copy them) on Ancestry etc, I have been fascinated by a pedigree of my Smithson ancestors some kind RootsChatter alerted me to the other week:https://smithson.org.uk/2002/03/smithson-notes-and-memoirs/

I'm adding them to my tree in pink text as a framework until I can verify them, as even though the book was published over 100 years ago, it doesn't mean it's accurate. (Though as it states my probable 13x G-grandfather was a man-at-arms at Agincourt, I'm really hoping it is  :D)

Anyway, I've been struggling to understand the author at various points, most notably the following section. Can anyone tell me what relation the first bloke, William Le Smythsonne, is to Peter at the end pls? And any generations in-between? I think I'm right in saying Peter was descended from the second-mentioned William, but that par is a bit 'sludgy' - any thoughts?

"William Le Smythsonne of Thornton Watlas, near Bedale, who was defendant in a plea for depasturing cattle at Thornton Watlas in 1265 (49 Hen. III.), had two sons, of whom:

Robert Smytheson was residing at Thornton Watlas in 1286 (14 Ed. I.).
Wm. le Smytheson lived at Kerperby in 20 Ed. I., was married, and had issue.
The elder son, Robert Smytheson of Thornton Watlas, who married – -, and had issue (together with two other sons, Wm. of Ainstable, Co. Cumberland, who paid subsidy 1 Ed. III., and was a defendant in a plea of debt 18 Ed. III., and Roger Smithson of Lynton, 1 Ed. III., living 18 Ed. III., whose son, Thomas Smithson – married, and had issue – plaintiff in a plea of land, 40 Ed. III.) an elder son, viz.:

Peter le Smytheson of Thornton Watlas, who paid subsidy in 1 Ed. III. (1327) ‘ married –, and had issue two sons"


(I'm assuming things like 40 Ed. III mean 'in the 40th year of the reign of Edward III', but pls correct me if I'm misinterpreting that too).

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The Lighter Side / Re: I challenge anyone to find a better BT page
« on: Friday 01 April 22 17:19 BST (UK)  »
Ha, yes, I found something similar once in a Durham parish c1800 - the vicar seemed to relish revealing all the gruesome details as the only CODs that were ever included were the most horrible accidents. Seem to remember one along the lines of "fell from the top of the paper mill and was crushed by the machinery below"...

I think I'd probably prefer to remain in ignorant bliss, believing my ancestor died peacefully in their bed...

The Hornby YKS registers late 18th C are very handy for finding out all CODs though, thankyou vicar.

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