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US Lookup Requests / Re: Suffolk farmhouse transported to America 1930s
« on: Saturday 07 August 21 14:36 BST (UK)  »
Very interesting.  Just wondering how we confirm the Halls shipping destination.

To confirm my wife is related to John Nance Gooch down the following branch (lots of branches and he has a ton of grandchildren of various removes).

John Nance Gooch and Elizabeth Button (1774-1842)
George Gooch (1801-1879) and Susan Garrett (1808-1858)
John Nance Gooch (1843-1930) and Mary Jane Sharman (1855-98)
Rosella Hannah Gooch (1885-1953) and Arthur Earnest Mann (1875-1944)
William Arthur Mann (1912-1991) and Olive Caroline Jarman (1911-96)
Christine Laura Mann and George Rand
Wife!

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US Lookup Requests / Re: Suffolk farmhouse transported to America 1930s
« on: Friday 06 August 21 17:26 BST (UK)  »
did you find anything further?  My wife's 4 x Great Grandfather John Nance Gooch 1770-1849 is recorded as having lived there in the 1839 Stradbooks Directory

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Crikey Dr Dude that really is a good spot!  I did wonder if the location could be France (Amiens area perhaps) in mid to late 1918.  (See his service record in original post).  It has been pointed out that the horses aren't in best condition and I'd expect the horses on a UK based gun carriage team to be in better nick and perhaps their condition points to an operational team which have been subject to a more rigorous deployment regime.  Perhaps this was taken when he was with C Battery 290 (CCXC) Brigade Royal Field Artillery who were assigned to 58th (2/1st London) Division.  I have their war diary and have plotted their movements in the period April to Oct in and around Amiens.  If you look at his arm I think a Lance Bombardier Stripe can just be seen although I accept it may be a trick of the light.  Thanks for your time and application Dr Dude, much appreciated.

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Coincidentally my cousin, and grandson of the lead driver Samuel George Barratt, lives in Sheffield, not a million miles from Doncaster.  He is now on the case to see if the Donny archives might throw up something.

Many thanks to Frank and everyone else who has shown interest in this thread and any further suggestions gratefully accepted!

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Great spot!!  Doncaster would sort of make sense.

Dr Dude, I think you're right but sadly the document is long gone

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Hi there

so 9 months after the initial post I'm wondering if anyone else can identify something in the photo that might give a clue as to location?

best wishes for a merry Christmas and Happy new year!!

George

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World War One / Re: RNAS/RAF - Location of Bases
« on: Friday 21 December 18 13:51 GMT (UK)  »
Hi there!

well nearly 4 years later picked up on this thread.  One of my relatives James Chorley 1899-1985 was also an Aircraft mechanic with the RNAS initially and then transferred to the RAF.  He was lucky and did not get captured (he stayed in the UK)!  His service history as far as I can tell goes something like this:

31 Dec 1917 - Enlisted RNAS
31 Dec 1917-2 Jan 1918 - HMS President II - Crystal Palace
3 -20 Jan - Tregantle
21 Jan - 25 Feb 1918 - Chingford
26 Feb - 31 Mar 1918 - Crystal Palace
1 Apr 1918 - Tx to RAF
1 Apr -1 May 1918 - RAF Crystal Palace
1 May - 17 July 1918 - RAF Redcar
17 Jul - 30 Oct 1918 - RAF Ayr
26 Feb 1919 - Tx RAF Reserve

I think we've done HMS President to death on this thread.  As everyone points out President was the name for several RN manpower accounting depots.  During WW1 CRYSTAL PALACE was also the base for the RNAS and RAF, used as a Ground-School and balloon observation station.

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some good points, thanks.  I'm sort of hoping the Pylon/Telegraph pole on the left, perhaps the roof facades on the buildings or even the awning to the right (railway station entrance/covered market) might provide a clue.

The fact that there is an undertaker with top hat, presumably on a horse drawn hearse (similar to the Young VC funeral in Preston) is there might mean it's a UK funeral.  What about the kids in peaky blinder caps by the awning on the right)?

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Drawing on ideas from the GWF I did think it might be the Private William Young VC funeral in Preston in 1916.

However whilst the circumstances and parade format are clearly very similar between the 2 corteges I'm not certain the 2 gun carriage teams are the same.

Samuel George's forage cap has clearly seen some action as has the forage cap of the number 3.  In the Young gun team the forage caps of the drivers look a little more pristine and less battered!

The limber team pair in Samuel George's pic dont appear to be carrying a wreath whilst the Young limber team pair appear to be carrying a wreath.

Looks like the Union Jack on the Young coffin is larger than the one of the Samuel George cortege coffin.

The Samuel George team assembly point looks like some sort of market square with a train station awning to the right.  Preston market square has similarities but I can't make any real cross matches with any certainty.

The formats are so close this must be the format applied to all WW1 repatriation funerals?

I think the location is the clear clue, if we could identify that the date and occasion would probably follow.  Is it a market square with a train station? 

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