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Essex / Re: Potter - Southernwood marriage help
« on: Wednesday 13 March 19 22:39 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks  :)

Essex / Potter - Southernwood marriage help
« on: Wednesday 13 March 19 15:05 GMT (UK)  »
I have a John Potter, born I believe in about 1812 in Great Horkesley to one James and Phoebe Potter. I think Phoebe was Phoebe Southernwood - there are entries in Pallots' and the Phillimore Marriage Register for a marriage on 7 October 1803 by licence in Great Horkesley that seems to fit the bill.

I can't justify SEAX subscription costs, so is there any other way of getting a copy of James' and Phoebe's marriage licence, and the baptism details of any of their children, including John?

Derbyshire / Re: Marriage by licence help
« on: Sunday 30 December 18 23:53 GMT (UK)  »
I've had a chance to download and examine the licence for Richard Stonyer and Mary Oakden. I've also got a copy of a licence, also for a marriage at Snelston, for John Stonyer and Sarah Fletcher, made the previous year. I believe that Richard and John were brothers.

Richard and Mary's bond was for 500 and John and Sarah's only 100. Why the difference? Wasn't 500 rather steep? Having asked that question, a second licence for John Stonyer for his marriage to Sarah Harrison in 1795 also states that the bond is 500, so maybe 100 was cheap  ???

A signatory of both the 1772 and 1773 licences is one Ann Langley. Does this imply that Ann Langley is possibly a relative of both Richard and John?

On John Stonyer's 1772 licence, the counter signatory is William Fletcher, who I believe to be Sarah's father. Could this imply that Mary Oakden's maiden name be Wagstaff?

I have several children of a Richard Stonyer and Mary baptised in Seigford between 1789 and 1804. I know from previous research that the Stonyer's were journeyman millers, and thus it is not surprising to find them scattered all over the place. However, the ages for Richard and Mary in their licence indicate that the last child would have been born when Mary was into her 50s. I strongly suspect, therefore, that the Richard and Mary whose children were baptized in Seighford are a different couple altogether. That raises the issue of who the Seigford couple are related to. I can find no marriage for a Richard Stonyer (or any known variations of the surname) and a Mary in or around the date of the first child baptised at Seighford.

A further little snippet of evidence to suggest that the Seighford Richard and Mary are a different couple is the death of a Richard Stonyer, that the PR tells us was "killd at the Alder Mill" in 1799. My 3 x gt grandfather was born at Alder Mill, in Mancetter, near Tamworth. Richard's body was said to have been discovered by his son John "robbed and murdered", although I have been totally unable to find the source of that bit of information (the person from whence it came, a distant cousin, has sadly passed away having steadfastly refused to reveal any of his sources, except that "there was a lot in latin", and although I was briefly in touch with his daughter, we never got around to exchanging contact details other than via her father's facebook pages.)

If my late cousin's information is correct, and if the Richard Stonyer that married Mary Oakden was indeed the Richard that died at Alder Mill, then there would seem to be at least one child of the marriage, but again, I have been unable to find any possible birth record. I've tried checking the Llanfylin PRs in case Richard returned there with Mary after the marriage, but these seem to be missing entries bewteen Davies and Thomas  :(

Thanks everyone for your observations so far. It just seems that as one door opens, it only reveals another brick wall  ;D

Derbyshire / Re: Marriage by licence help
« on: Saturday 29 December 18 22:31 GMT (UK)  »
Oops! Digital dyslexia  ;D

Derbyshire / Marriage by licence help
« on: Saturday 29 December 18 20:57 GMT (UK)  »
Richard Stonyer married Mary Oakden by licence on 8 March 1873 in Snelston ( see image on Ancestry: Derbyshire, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1932: ) The PR entry tells us that Richard's home parish is Llanfillyn in Montgomeryshire. Both signed, with witnesses Joseph Wagstaff, John Harriss and Elizabeth Banks, as far as I know all unrelated to either Richard or Mary.

FamilySearch also has this:

Name: Mary Oakden
Event Type:
Event Place: Snelston, Derbyshire, England, United Kingdom
Event Place: Snelston, Derbyshire, England
Age: 25
Marital Status: Widow
Spouse's Name: Richard Stonger
Spouse's Residence County: Montgomery
Spouse's Age: 21
Spouse's Marital Status: Unknown
Spouse's Occupation: Miller
Spouse's Birth Year: 1752
Affiliate Film Number: GBPRS/STAFF/MARRLICENCE/107324/2
Affiliate Image Identifier:
GS Film Number: 007619202
Digital Folder Number: 007619202
Image Number: 00630

Citing this Record
"England, Staffordshire, Church Records, 1538-1944", database with images, FamilySearch ( : 16 March 2018), Mary Oakden and Richard Stonger, 1773.

The search result also lists the residence as Llanfyllin, whilst confirming Richard's occupation of miller and the ages for both of them. There's at least 4 corn mills in and around Llanfyllin.

Knowing the propensity for familysearch to leave stuff off its transcriptions, and as I seem unable to get to see the image for their record (Image Unavailable This image is unavailable for online viewing at this time.  :'( ), can anyone else find an image relating to familysearch's entry?

The discovery on the image on Ancestry and now the familysearch entry with the ages for Richard and Mary now causes me to re-consider a large chunk of previous research into this Richard and Mary Stonyer; a substantial family I had attributed to these two may now belong to a different Richard and Mary Stonyer. Curious as well as to whom Mary was previously married, and was Oakden her maiden name or the her first husband's name? I don't seem to be able to find any children for this Richard and Mary either in Snelston or Llanfyllin, so any help there would also be appreciated.



Leicestershire / Re: Blackfordby marriages
« on: Wednesday 24 October 18 18:58 BST (UK)  »
Thanks everyone for your help; sometimes you just can't see the wood for the trees  ::)


P.S. Just re-checked the 1860 US census, and Elizabeth is listed as "Betsey"

Leicestershire / Blackfordby marriages
« on: Wednesday 24 October 18 10:21 BST (UK)  »
I'm searching for the marriage between one John Stonyer and his wife Elizabeth. John was born c1799 in Seighford in Staffordshire to Richard Stonyer and Mary Oakden, had 7 siblings, and as far as I can tell at the moment married Elizabeth about 1823. They had three children, Martha, born and baptised  1824 in Blackfordby, Mary, born and baptised in Measham, and finally John Thomas, born and baptised in Burton-upon-Trent. Martha later married Peter Heath and migrated to the US (when immigrants were welcome ;) ). John and Elizabeth went with them and John continued his trade as a miller in Albany, in New York state.

I'm assuming that John and Elizabeth married in Blackfordby, but there's no marriages listed online between 1775 and 1832, the time during which John and Elizabeth married. Were marriages carried out at Blackfordby during that time? Have the PRs been lost? Or am I just looking in the wrong place?

I'm trying to find out Elizabeth's maiden name, and where she actually came from. Any help or suggestions would be appreciated.


Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Where did Sarah live?
« on: Wednesday 24 October 18 10:03 BST (UK)  »
Treetotal, Gadget, thank you. I had read Clifton, but wasn't sure. I've just taken a look at as I knew that John Stonyer lived at Sides Mill near Snelston. As is usually the case, it's right in the bottom left corner of one of the maps covering Snelston, but just north east is Clifton!


Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Where did Sarah live?
« on: Tuesday 23 October 18 23:26 BST (UK)  »
Anyone help with deciphering where Sarah Fletcher lived? This is from the Snelston, Derbyshire marriage PR. So far I have ...

John Stonyer of this parish in the County of Derby and Sarah Fletcher of ? of the Parish of ? in the County of Derby married in this Church by [Licence?] This second day of March in the One thousand Seven Hundred and Seventy Two by me Wm Berresford, Curate. John and Sarah both signed. Witnesses Joseph Longstaff and John Thompson

Image is from Ancestry.


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