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Further to my discussion on the Dixon family, farmers of Ewebank (1841), Rawsons Lyth (1851) I found this online page about the Families of the Lyth Valley.

1871. Burtree, Gilpin Farm, Burtree, John Dixon and seven children.
(This is my John Dixon Jr . 1832, son of John Dixon and Isabella Park(e).)

1982. The Park family, Fell End, Witherslack, purchased the farmhouse, buildings and adjoining land. They later sold the farmhouse.

http://www.crosthwaiteandlyth.co.uk/genealogy/Hartley/gilpinfarm.html

pughcd

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Thanks Green Dragon and suzyf for your contributions.

I have tracked down my x3 great grandfather, John Dixon, b. 19 Apr 1805, Kendal, son of James Dixon and Mary Atkinson, farming at Ewebank, Old Hutton on the 1841 census. He is there with wife Isabella and seven children and mother Mary Dixon. They seem to be between Old Croft and Toad Pool at Ewebank.

In the 1851 census, they appear to have moved to Rawsons Lyth, Crosthwaite and Lyth, probably Rawson's Farm, Lyth. Farmer of 80 acres (not 30), living with Isabella, and five children.

My initial difficulty with this family was to decide which of the John Dixon marriages to Isabella. Either 1828, Preston Patrick to Isabella Parke (this fits best with eldest child born 1828/9), or 1830, Kendal to Isabella Airey, or 1831, Kendal to Isabella Prickett.

So my initial post here was about Isabella Park(e) as the 1851 census at Rawsons states that Isabella was from Lupton. This fits with the 1828 marriage at Preston Patrick to John Dixon. So rosie99put forward the useful note about Mr John Dixon of High Bracken Hall marrying Miss Isabella park of Sizergh on 11 November 1828, at Preston Patrick.

My search for Isabella's family has thrown up some contradictory information. She is born about 1805, according to the censuses; 1841, 1851. However the only christening I can find at the moment is 1810. Isabella Park b. 3 May 1810, chr. 10 Jun 1810, at Witherslack, illegitimate daughter of Jane Park. Now Witherslack is closer to Sizergh than Preston Patrick or Lupton. She could have been working at Sizergh Hall. She could have made herself a bit older for the benefit of the wedding. This could be my x3 great grandmother.

Thanks for all the contributions so far.
pughcd

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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: Y-DNA clarification please
« on: Sunday 13 January 19 16:14 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Ozdelver,

You are correct on all points. You can match on autosomal DNA and Y-DNA (males only) independently. It depends on your research question and time-frame which test you do first.

Since FamilyTree DNA is the major player in the Y-DNA market, you may wish to watch some of the FT-DNA Webinars hosted by Elise Friedman;

https://www.familytreedna.com/learn/ftdna/webinars/

Good luck.
pughcd

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Hi Martin,

I have seen no great difference between messaging through the DNA sites compared to GEDmatch. It is true that you can email direct through GEDmatch but FT-DNA also provides email addresses. I get responses through Ancestry, My Heritage, 23andMe, FT-DNA and GEDmatch.

Although many of my messages are greeted with silence; some of my best research has been done with the help of generous cousins around the world sharing their trees and knowledge.

pughcd

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Westmorland / Re: Isabella Parke b. abt. 1804 of Lupton, Westmorland
« on: Sunday 06 January 19 12:58 GMT (UK)  »
Hi rosie99,

No unfortunately, there is no image available at Family Search for the marriage of Isabella Parke and John Dixon.

However, it looks as if you have found a really useful nugget in the Lancaster Gazette. Great work!!

Many thanks,
pughcd  :)

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Westmorland / Isabella Parke b. abt. 1804 of Lupton, Westmorland
« on: Sunday 06 January 19 11:50 GMT (UK)  »
Happy New Year all!

Isabella Parke married John Dixon on 12 November 1828, Preston Patrick, Westmorland (England Marriages 1538-1973, Find My Past). The census of 1841, Old Hutton, Westmorland shows the couple farming at Ewebank, nr New Hutton, with seven children and John's mother Mary Dixon. The 1851 census of Crosthwaite & Lyth, shows the couple farming at Rawson's Lyth, with five children. These details fit with descendants later reporting births in Lythe and Levens area.

John Dixon was born 18 April 1805, baptised  26 May 1805, Kendal, son of James and Mary Dixon. The 1851 census gives Isabella as 47, born Lupton and with husband John being 45, born Kendal. I have been unable to find any suitable birth records for Isabella Parke born about 1804, Lupton on Ancestry, Family Search or Find My Past databases.

There is a marriage record for a Joseph Parke to Hannah Kilner on 20 May 1807, at Preston Patrick. There are subsequent christenings  for Jane Parke, 13 November 1808, Preston Patrick and Tamar Parke, about 1810, Preston Richard - both daughters of Joseph and Hannah Parke.

There is an Isabella Park, baptised 10 Jun 1810, Witherslack, Westmorland, daughter of Jane Park (England, Births and Baptisms, 1538-1975, Find My Past). Was our Isabella trying to be older for the benefit of the wedding? Was Jane Park of Witherslack related to Joseph Parke of Preston Patrick?

Any suggestions or advice on the Park(e) family would be welcome.
Many thanks in advance.

pughcd

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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: X Match interpretation
« on: Friday 21 December 18 10:09 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks Ruskie,

The article by Louise Coakley, 2015 is excellent. I have just downloaded the pdf.

pughcd  :)

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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: X Match interpretation
« on: Thursday 20 December 18 22:27 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Ruskie,

I (male) and my half-sister have both transferred our autosomal DNA raw data to FamilyTree DNA.

I have an X-match with my half-sister. My half-sister has an X-match with me. We share the same mother. I do not have any other X-matches on the first three pages of matches. Thus I match just 1 person on the X-chromosome but have 89 negative matches.

On the other hand, my half-sister has 66 X-matches in her first three pages of  cousin matches, including me. She has just 24 negative X-matches. Her top matches, excluding me, are a paternal line that I do not share.

There is one female individual on the first page of matches who my half-sister has an X-match with but I do NOT  have an X-match with. My half-sister shares 59cM, longest block 16cM and I share 55cM, longest block 16cM with this female individual. Her family tree indicates that she has geographical origins similar to our mother. This sounds similar to your situation.

I would recommend you ask the DNA provider for their explanation. FamilyTree DNA are very proactive, if that's who you tested with.

Excellent question!
pughcd


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Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing / Re: X Match interpretation
« on: Thursday 20 December 18 21:36 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Ruskie,

Do you know the sex of the match LB? Have you had your mother tested for autosomal DNA?

pughcd  :)

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