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Essex / Re: Samuel Andrews - Hatfield Broad Oak 1804
« on: Tuesday 17 November 09 13:44 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Janet, thanks for a fascinating post. A few scattered comments on it that you may be able to help with.

A link to Lancelot Andrew(e)s would be great, though it's perhaps a bit unlikely that a great High Churchman would have so many dissenters among his descendants and their spouses.

Similarly, Emily Andrews marrying Rev William Temple might suggest a link to the two Archbishops Temple but again I doubt it. Do you know anything about William - I have found him in West Ham in 1841 but not thereafter?

Mordecai I is show in IGI to be buried on 16/2/1649 at Bunhill Fields Cemetery, London.

"Mrs Mordecai Andrews"  (who we have as Elizabeth Rutt) is stated to be the granddaughter of Rev John Mason 1677-1723 in a contemporary book, which doesn't stack up with your Elizabeth Towill as her mother. Any thoughts?

Do you realise that Emily Augusta was the model for Coventry Patmore's most famous poem, "Angel in the house"? There is a picture of her by Millais on the Wikipedia entry for Coventry.

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Essex / Re: Samuel Andrews - Hatfield Broad Oak 1804
« on: Thursday 15 May 08 18:36 BST (UK)  »
Thanks for the children's names. It looks pretty certain that your Samuel married Mary Bowers and had the children you mention but far less certain that he was the son of Mordecai A and Hannah L, unless I am missing something.
For example there is another Samuel Andrews who married Sarah Cade and gave his birthplace as Colchester. Now Hatfield Broad Oak and Colchester are about equidistant from Bocking (Braintree) where Mordecai III and Hannah L's son was presumably born, so the only reason to prefer one to the other is the use of Mordecai as a second name.
But IGI gives the births of ten Mordecai Andrews as follows, so the name doesn't necessarily come from Mordecai III.

Year   Place   Father   Mother   Possible Identity
1669                                Mordecai I's father
1715                                           Mordecai I
1740   Bocking                           Mordecai II
1762   C'geshall   John      
1774   Stepney   Mordecai   Hannah   
1780   C'geshall   Mordecai   Elizabeth   Mordecai III
1786   Terling   Mordecai   Hannah   
1786   Bocking   John   Martha   
1795   Bocking   Mordecai   Hannah   
1823   B Stortf'd   Richard   Sarah   

Sorry for the alignment - it's fine on what I pasted in but not on the preview but I hope it's intelligible. Only the last of these Hannahs seems likely to be Hannah Litchfield. What do you think?
Mike

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Essex / Re: Samuel Andrews - Hatfield Broad Oak 1804
« on: Tuesday 13 May 08 14:01 BST (UK)  »
I have no particular knowledge of Samuel but have done some research on several generations of Mordecai Andrews.

Mordecai I  c1715-49 Brought into revive moribund independent church in Petticoat St, London as a 'young man', presumably from Bocking. Expanded congregation so much they took over bigger premises in Artillery Row. Wife Sarah, children Mordecai II, Mary and Hannah.

Mordecai II 22/12/1738 - before 1820. Became independent minister of Great Coggeshall in immediate succession to Henry Peyto (can anyone tell me more about him?), perhaps around 1770. Married Elizabeth (probably Rutt) as children were Mordecai III, George Rutt, John Rutt, Edward, Charlotte, Charles, Eliza, Harriet, Frederick.

Mordecai III 1780-1820. wife Hannah Litchfield, son Samuel who might be yours, though born Bocking. Record of death says son of late Rev Mordecai Andrews. Which of Samuel's sons had Mordecai as second name?

Hope this helps
Mike

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