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Moray (Elginshire) / Re: Pronunciation help: Croftindaker
« on: Friday 19 January 24 22:01 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: Calleva on Friday 19 January 24 20:02 GMT (UK)
I’ve also been puzzling over the evidence with Croftintaggart shown on maps yet ‘Croftindaker’ on the 1861 Census, extract attached, and presumably other sources.

Yes, the statutory records I have for people who lived at that croft also typically say Croftindacker or Croftindaker.

I think the Croftintaggart/daker difference is simply one of lack of spelling consistency. To my ear they sound quite similar when said aloud. But like you, I do wonder about the origin of the name.

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Moray (Elginshire) / Re: Pronunciation help: Croftindaker
« on: Friday 19 January 24 18:44 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: Forfarian on Friday 19 January 24 18:22 GMT (UK)
I've found Croftindacker on a map surveyed in 1870.

However the same spot is clearly marked on a map surveyed in 1926-1927 and on later maps as Croftintaggart.

See attachment and https://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NJ1537, which shows where the ruins are and even has a photograph.

I would put the stress on the first a, making it Croft-n-TAG-rt, but am willing to be corrected. It would sound very odd if any other syllable were to be stressed.

The practical difficulty is that since that second map was surveyed in 1926-1927 the croft, whatever its name, has been swallowed up in a forest plantation. So it may not be easy to find someone who remembers hearing it spoken of.

Thanks very much for this. I so appreciate the links and time you've put into helping me. Your pronunciation suggestion makes sense to me, especially given the most common ways the name is represented on census records where it would have been written down presumably as the enumerator heard it, which is Croftindaker or Croftindacker in every census from 1861. Whether it was a D or a T would be very difficult to tell in that sequence of letters.

Thanks again for your help.

Kathy


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Moray (Elginshire) / Re: Pronunciation help: Croftindaker
« on: Friday 19 January 24 17:46 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: Forfarian on Friday 19 January 24 07:53 GMT (UK)
BTW I live about 20 minutes' drive from Knockando.

Since you live close, I thought you might be interested in the attached map, from a document compiled by my cousin using a scan of a paper map, so I have no idea of the copyright of it, unfortunately.

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Moray (Elginshire) / Re: Pronunciation help: Croftindaker
« on: Friday 19 January 24 17:38 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: Rena on Friday 19 January 24 01:01 GMT (UK)
There's a video to help actors speak with a Scottish accent.  the "r" in any word is important so it should assist you with how your ancestors soke.

https://www.backstage.com/magazine/article/how-to-do-a-scottish-accent-75895/

Thanks. Accent isn't the issue (and as someone else noted, there's SUCH a wide variation in regional Scots and Scots-accented English), but I'm wanting to know whether it's read as written and, if so, whether it's a long A  and if that syllable is stressed, etc.

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Moray (Elginshire) / Re: Pronunciation help: Croftindaker
« on: Friday 19 January 24 17:32 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: Calleva on Friday 19 January 24 08:18 GMT (UK)
Link attached to a publication about Croftindaker.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Croftindaker-Heritage-Story-Thomsons-Knockando/dp/B08P3VZGK7

Like Forfarian I live quite close (about 20 miles) from Knockando and one of my sons taught at the school there until last year. I’ll ask him for his thoughts and report back.

Thanks. That book is a collaboration of many of my cousins, primarily the late Roger Keight, with the torch picked up by Jason Nitz, to assemble the family history of the Thomsons of Croftindaker. :)

And thanks very much for asking your son. I appreciate it.

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Moray (Elginshire) / Re: Pronunciation help: Croftindaker
« on: Friday 19 January 24 17:30 GMT (UK)  »
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Nor have I ever heard anyone actually speak about Croftindaker (have to admit I've never actually heard of it at all, and it doesn't seem to be listed on the Scotland's Places web site or on LIBINDX), so I can't be sure about it. I would expect to pronounce it croft-n-DAY-kr but be prepared to be corrected.

BTW I live about 20 minutes' drive from Knockando.

Thank you. That's about how we've been pronouncing it, too.

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Moray (Elginshire) / Pronunciation help: Croftindaker
« on: Thursday 18 January 24 23:13 GMT (UK)  »
My great great grandparents had a croft by Knockando called Croftindaker. Does anyone from the area know what the local pronuncation of Croftindaker would be? I'm reasonably sure how we've always said it talking about it here in Canada is probably not right. Thank you!

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World War Two / Re: Uniform/badge identification help, please?
« on: Wednesday 05 April 23 21:38 BST (UK)  »
Andy, there's certainly no question the Caberfeidh badge is the same.

Thank you for these.

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World War Two / Re: Uniform/badge identification help, please?
« on: Wednesday 05 April 23 20:32 BST (UK)  »
Hi Andy,

Thanks for your reply.

No Canadian connection for my great uncle until a dozen years after the war when my branch immigrated. He spent his whole life apart from his service in Ballindalloch/Inveravon and Grantown on Spey.

Kathy

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