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Buckinghamshire Lookup Requests / Jane/Jenny FREE, baptism lookup
« on: Tuesday 05 January 21 16:10 GMT (UK)  »
Hello

Just a quick one here - would anyone be able to double check the PRs for the baptism of Jane/Jenny FREE? I believe I've found her baptism on FindMyPast (under the name Jenny, in 1772, in Great Hampden, to John Free of Speen), but I just want to check there are no others.

Re her name - at the time, Jenny was a diminutive of Jane, not Jennifer. She married (in 1791) under the name Jane, but when she baptised my ancestor Elizabeth Turner in Princes Risborough c. 1801, she was recorded as Jenny.

Thanks

Martin

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Kent / Parents of John WELLER, born Sandhurst area c. 1805
« on: Saturday 02 January 21 17:32 GMT (UK)  »
Happy New Year, everyone.

I haven't put this in lookup requests as it's not technically a lookup - I'm just interested in other people's opinions about a family I'm descended from.

My ancestor John WELLER was born in the Sandhurst area in about 1805, apparently to a Thomas and an Elizabeth (I have found a corresponding baptism in Hawkhurst, a neighbouring parish). According to the tree here (http://family-tree-russell.co.uk/TB.htm), John was one of six children born between 1787 and 1809.

However...I'm a bit suspicious about this as the first three children (all girls) were baptised as nonconformists (as far as I can tell, in Sandhurst), and there's a suspicious eight-year gap between the last of these three and the first of the other three...who were not baptised as non-conformists. To me, this looks a bit like someone's combined two separate families. Plus, in 1796 (right in the middle of that eight-year gap) a Thomas Weller who was a nonconformist was buried at Rye (in Sussex but only a few miles down the road.

So, it looks like there may be two separate Thomas and Elizabeth Wellers. However, there are problems:

I can only find a marriage in the right area (on FindMyPast) for one couple, Thomas Weller and Elizabeth MAYNARD, in Sandhurst on 13 June 1788.
2. The Thomas who died in 1796 was born in 1769, meaning that if he was the father of the three girls, Elizabeth, Katharine and Abigail, he was pretty young - only 18 (not impossible, but in my experience young even for those days).

Is there anything I might have overlooked?

Thanks

Martin

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Buckinghamshire / Re: Ahh, BISCOE (a mystery)
« on: Tuesday 24 November 20 22:06 GMT (UK)  »
I may be a bit closer towards solving this eight-year old mystery. Or maybe I'm not...

A couple of months ago, I uploaded my AncestryDNA results to some other sites, one of which was FamilyTreeDNA. I was contacted on the site by someone who is also on Ancestry, and with whom I share some DNA (11cM, making us anything between 5th-8th cousins - I'd go with the higher number since 5th cousins would have a common ancestor in the second half of the 18th century). The only family we seem to have in common (there are over 30,000 people on his tree)...is the Biscoes.

I still don't know who our common ancestor might be, though; he is descended from Nathaniel Biscoe, born in Bucks, who settled in Watertown, Massachusetts, and I probably descend from Mary Biscoe, who died in 1688 (although her brother Moses refers to her as Ruth in his will, for reasons I still can't get to the bottom of).

So, now I know that it's highly likely I am descended from this family, but I'm still none the wiser as to how. Had no luck with Robert Biscoe (1627-1685)'s will - I just got a message from Bucks Archives saying it was water damaged and so they couldn't photocopy it.

 :-\

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I have a list of Newell baptisms from BFHS for 1690-1790 which lists these baptisms in West Wycombe for Thomas and Damaris Newell:

20.02.1706. - Damaris
01.01.1708. - Thomas
07.12.1709. - Ambros [sic]
27.04.1712. - William
29.05.1714. - John
08.09.1718. - Henry

No other baptisms in Bucks to a Thomas and a Damaris. Probably none elsewhere, as she was in her 40s by 1718 (either 42 or 47, depending on which Damaris she was).

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Naming conventions aren't always followed strictly.  Damaris was the first baptism (20 Feb 1705)  of a child to them after the Sept 1704 marriage but, if it was Julian then it would be Feb 1706. Marriage would be correct.

True - they may have named their first daughter and son after their own grandparents as opposed to the children's - Thomas's father was an Ambrose* Newell, but his father was another Thomas.

I had forgotten that they were using the Julian Calendar in England back then, and that the year number changed on 25 March.  ;D

*Ambrose was a popular name with the Newells, possibly introduced to the family when Susan Bigges, daughter of an Ambrose Bigges and Margerie Stephens, married a Christopher Newell in 1590.

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The only possible thing I have to go on is naming conventions - the first daughter was usually named after her maternal grandmother...but the maternal grandmother of Damaris Newell (b. 1706) was either Margaret (if it's the 1671 Damaris) or Elizabeth (if it's the 1676 one). However, Margaret's mother was a Damari(a)s Stevens.

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No, nothing comes up for a Newell between 1740 and 1750.

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The marriage bonds that I've seen give more info than on the indexes and any conditions that should be met. Also signatures/seals.  They should be in the appropriate  Archives.

Gadget

Yes - Oxford Diocese

Just been on the Buckinghamshire Archives website – it appears that nothing to do with Damaris and Thomas Newell's licence has survived. Or, of course, as you said, Phillimore might be wrong.  :(

Martin

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Oxford Diocese marriage bond index  lists only one Thomas Cary/Damaris King licence - in 1698, Damaris from Henton and  Thomas from Bledlow . I looked through by surname and parish. Maybe a missing entry or Phillimore is wrong.

Add -no Newell ilcence

The Newell licence would have been for Hughenden. Mind you, isn't Hughenden covered by the Diocese of Oxford?

I seem to remember reading somewhere that a lot of people got married by licence at Hughenden because the vicar there was quite understanding re people's earlier circumstances. Has anyone else heard similar?

Martin

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