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In Australia, he and Mary Morris had 7 children though 2 died young. On the Birth Certificate of the youngest, Frederick Jules, in 1874, Mary stated they'd been married on 16th March, 1865 in Young, NSW. However, there is a Marriage Certificate for Jules Anseline (a 'gold digger') and Mary Morris for 21st July, 1871; married at Frenchmans Reef, near Carcoar. But no additional information forthcoming there...that is, I haven't been able to determine his parents' names.


Jules marriage to Mary MORRIS was registered in the Carcoar District, in 1871.  It is very very likely that the NSW BDM record (#1972) of that registration has many blanks, including blanks on their origins, parents etc.  I do NOT encourage you to purchase the NSW BDM certificate.   If you don't have info about Jules origins from the birth certs of their children, or if you have not obtained ALL the info actually recorded on the church register for Jules and Mary's marriage, you may well benefit from seeking an official transcript of the marriage registration to determine the clergy/denomination for the service.

There's now a very long thread I prepared years ago to help overcome the elusive blanks on NSW BDM registrations in the mid to late 19th century, but I think you need to know what info Jules gave FIRST HAND about himself when he married in NSW before you go back further on his origins.  I note the thread has been read over 21,000 times, so hopefully it has helped many RChatters.

JM  (I put Jules name top left hand corner, for IF we need a global moderator to hive off some posts at some time in the future).

Have you followed up on seeking out the original register for the Carcoar marriage...

 :)   JM

Australia / Re: Help me find Jane's daughter
« on: Today at 01:19 »
She is mentioned here, 1st column:


Thank you so much. I can't tell you how many times I've trawled through Trove, and I clearly missed that one.

By the way the Rylands mentioned are Jane Christinas relatives.

So, is it likely that the Rylands and Jane had kept in contact in the years after Jane's mum re-married ... or is it a fluke that the Rylands and Jane were all residing at Loddon and all sought licences at the same time...  :)


Australia / Re: Worldconnect website
« on: Yesterday at 09:00 »

Australia / Re: Help me find Jane's daughter
« on: Yesterday at 08:10 »
Hi there,

So Jane's daughter was 20 when her mum died in 1867,  Do you know if this daughter migrated on same voyage as her mum?

Re same names for several children...  One of my ancestors was John.  His first wife was Mary, and their first child was Eliza.   Mary died, John remarried, the second wife's name was Eliza.  John and Eliza had a daughter, and they named her Eliza.   John's first daughter was raised by her step mum.  So, in the household of John, there were three with given name Eliza, and each had John's surname too.  .... It was SMITH ... this in NSW in the 1870s.   Can you imagine if John wanted to shout out to one of them .... all three may have come running ... or perhaps all three ignored him  :)


Samuel BEAMAN aged 32 years, arrived 26 August 1833 per the ship Captain Cook (2).  (ie the second voyage of that vessel to bring convicts to NSW).  Samuel was recorded on the indents as a Protestant, could read and write, married with 2 male children, and a native of Middlesex.  His trade/calling was as a Coachman, Carman.  He was tried at the London Gaol Delivery on 3 January 1833, and was found guilty of the robbery of a man. This was his first conviction, he received a sentence of seven years transportation.  He was 5 ft 7 inches tall, with a dark ruddy complexion, his eyes were hazel, hair brown…   See Convict no. 33-1686, Indent no. 081, NSW state archives. 

He received his Ticket of Leave in 1837 (37/1483) and was allowed to remain in the Parramatta district. See reel 928 at NSW state archives.

I have not found Mary (nee Humphries) nor their sons Richard and Samuel in my NSW offline records, but I am still searching through these.   I will check through my Bowman files too, for Beaman may well be mistaken for Bowman when either transcribing long hand NSW 19th century handwriting or even when spoken aloud from various accents...  :)

JM (edit to correct spelling !  :-[  :-[  :-[ )

Australia / Re: Mary Ann Buttimer born London
« on: Yesterday at 07:23 »
Yes, I was surprised to read Germany too.  If he had not become a Naturalised British subject or had acquired British subject by descent, then I am sure Mary Ann, by marriage to Henry had actually lost hers...  So I wonder how she was eligible to enrol...  :)

From the NSW Electoral Roll of 1902 for NEWCASTLE, polling Newcastle City:
John Benson GLOVER, 5 off Brown Street, seaman
Mary Ann MORRIS, 5 off Brown Street, domestic duties.


Australia / Re: Mary Ann Buttimer born London
« on: Friday 17 August 18 07:08 BST (UK)  »
Yes, those Flickr images are a fantastic resource.   :) 

 :)  JM

Australia / Re: Mary Ann Buttimer born London
« on: Friday 17 August 18 04:14 BST (UK)  »

The date of the threatening language appears to be 1 day after the court ordered Alfred to pay his wife £2 per month - probably not a coincidence   :(

The next marriage would record Mary Ann a widow regardless as to whether he had died or not. Divorce was rare and expensive. The Mary/Ann Alfred marriage would hopefully provide the names of Alfred's parents, to determine if ... the correct death.

:) widow on next marriage ... 'divorcee - petitioner' was also an option ... the C of E clergy were using that on NSW marriage registrations from around 1874 ...

 :) rare and expensive ... Yes, well, err ... rare ... Divorce did not come to NSW until 1873, and expensive ... well ... ummmm .... as was usual, the NSW Supreme Court judges awarded costs to the party who did not 'win' the case.     

You may find the following papers informative, 

From my 19th century NSW family papers, I have a file, about 4 inches thick, from NSW Archives for a divorce.  Divorce found for the female, and all costs (add, both parties) against the male, no co-respondent named.  From the court documents ... re Costs ... these were fully detailed and were approximately £45 for the female's legal team.    Occupation for the male :  labourer. 


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