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Hi,

Wivenhoe is right, NSW BDM has ONLY a summary.

I have written about those "elusive blanks" in NSW BDM records  ON many threads over many years.  One now every long thread is part of RChats NSW resources.   It has reliable advice to help overcome those blanks.

The late Nick Vine-Hall (best professional genealogist in my option) technique with minor modifications has always worked for me

PLEASE consider it. .... the Official transcript has important info to assist. 

JM

REST.

Thank you Valerie, Neale and Debra for your help which I will pass on to my friend.
Appreciate your assistance.
Regards Wal

1879 marriage, registered Goulburn DIstrict of NSW

1. Agnes was recorded as ORMES as her family name as per the online INDEX.  The topic makes NO mention of that surname.
 2   She became Agnes HARRS upon her marriage.
 3. That marriage cert issued by NSW bdm  is NOT likely to have been reconciled by NSW BDM, as Goulburn district was not part of Metro Sydney. 
4. When you obtain her NSW BDM death registration you need to appreciate that there is info on it, that cannot been verified without comparing with her marriage record,. 
5. WhY .... the info on the death about the deceased's origins is NOT  checked by BDM staff,  it is NOT first hand, and it is given to the funeral director who then completes the lodging of the forms. 
6. Whereas the info on marriage  both the clergy record and on the meagre info on the actual civil rego I S first hand, given at a happy event by the bride.

The NSW BDM, encourages genealogists ( including part time family history  buffs,  indiviaual volunteers, uunpaid real people doing thwir own NSW 1800s  trees, students in UNI courses, etc, )to check the chuch records.

This is not contraversial, it is a well known fact. 

JM

Hi,

There is absolutely Nothing controversial in the facts I posted in my reply.   It is accurate, relevant, and offers a way for any family history buff, to advance their NSW mid to late 19th century search for independent information about the parents of a couple who marry in rural/regional NSW, after commencement of civil registration in 1856, assuming they marry by clergy. 

IF marriage is by the regional deputy registrar, it is unlikely he recorded any details about the parents of bride and groom.

My living ancient rellies, some aged 100 or more include retired Clergy and retired Senior Officers of NSW BDM.

They, like me, are shocked that there is NO response to my posts, on these thread.

JM .(add, reply 10 etc.  It is 3.13 pm NSW time as I note this )

G'day Members, it has been many years since I was last on this great forum.
I  am seeking the death record of Agnes HARRIS.
Spouse Henry HARRIS married 1879 reg at Goulburn.
Children known:
William John 1880 Goulburn
Agnes M 1882 Argyle
Elizabeth J 1888 Robertson
And hopefully the death of Henry.
Many thanks in anticipation
Gemini37

And

Parents’ names will be on marriage certificate.

NO, 

The clergy of all denominations across NSW basically ONLY presented NSW BDM with a summary of the ceremonies they conducted from 1856 to 1895, a long running dispute.  Please check, RChats resources board, There is a thread on it, now quite long,  that I prepared on how to overcome the "elusive blanks'  on NSW BDM records.  It took until 1911 until NSW BDM had the funding to commence reconciling their meagre holdings with actual parish registers.  They started with metro Sydney.  Then WWI needed experienced clerks to keep our volunter AIF base records, so the medically UNFIT for front line soldiering in France took on that task.... and set aside public service clerical duties in each state.

The marriage reconcilation process in NSW BDM has never been resumed, so non Metro marriages still do not have all the details found on church recordss.

NSW BDM website, itself, acknowledges this. 

So too peak bodies family  history, And some filming of individual church registers can be found at SAG and at NLA and via family search.

The elusive blanks are NOT a brickwall, just a hurdle. 

Get an official transcription of the NSW BDM.  It will have the clergy's name, and denomination and exact lication for ceremony.

ONE FINGER TYPING ON TINY SCREEN.  Please accept apologies for typos.

JM