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Breconshire / Re: bryngarn farm
« on: Yesterday at 23:25 »
There is an interesting history for the Nant Ddu area because at one time it had a sizeable population, but most of them emigrated to America, leaving their farms and cottages to decay.  When you drive past there nowadays, you can still see piles of stones here and there which indicate where a home used to be.  There was also a church beside the river, but this was demolished about twenty years ago because its structure had become unsound.  However the burial ground is still there and is cared for and many descendants from those who emigrated now visit to pay respects to their ancestors.

The Common Room / Re: baby in the bushes
« on: Yesterday at 23:20 »
I read this lady's story on the BBC News website earlier today and found it fascinating, and also hugely shocking that anyone would abandon a little mite in the wilderness with her wrists tied together.  I shudder to think what the motives were, but how fortunate that her cries were heard and she was rescued.

And I agree with Xin - she looks fantastic for 81 and it's great to see her looking so happy now she has answers to questions which have dogged her all her life.

Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: A shorthand puzzle
« on: Sunday 18 March 18 22:58 GMT (UK)  »
*Insert cross face here*  Thanks Heather for saving us all further hours of work.  Does the OP realise how long it has taken us conjecturing over this when we could have been doing valid research?  Feeling cross, and grateful to Heather for the heads up. 

Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: A shorthand puzzle
« on: Saturday 17 March 18 17:08 GMT (UK)  »
How about a new thread in TOT called 'The Shorthand Writers' Retreat'.   ;D

Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: A shorthand puzzle
« on: Saturday 17 March 18 16:20 GMT (UK)  »

Brilliant Greensleeves, I think it is 'needs to have "own" shorthand dictionary etc.'

Thanks Lizzie - I had forgotten that shortform!

Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: A shorthand puzzle
« on: Saturday 17 March 18 15:46 GMT (UK)  »
The sample piece Xin posted starts thus:

'Every shorthand learner needs to have  n(?) shorthand dictionary but this is not always possible either through unavailability or cost...'

Not that it helps us much with the OP's query regarding the original doc but I am happy that I can still read classic Pitman, even if I can't read my own a lot of the time.   ;D

The Common Room / Re: Transcribing volunteers wanted
« on: Saturday 17 March 18 10:06 GMT (UK)  »
I just registered but it says that all documents have been transcribed.

If anyone is looking for transcribing, there are some very interesting projects available on Zooniverse.  I've been working on the Shakespeare's World project for over two years now and have transcribed about 3,000 documents.  Fascinating!

Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: A shorthand puzzle
« on: Saturday 17 March 18 09:58 GMT (UK)  »
I think my shorthand is 'old era' since I did my training in the mid 1960s  ;D

I see your Middlesbrough links, Tillypeg - my father came from Middlesbrough and I spent many happy holidays there with my grandparents, as well as at Whitby and Redcar.

Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: A shorthand puzzle
« on: Friday 16 March 18 20:59 GMT (UK)  »
I agree that all shorthand writers develop their own style.  Whilst our shorthand might have looked like the Pitman example posted by Xin, I think it deteriorated pretty quickly once we started getting up speed!  I used to work as a verbatim shorthand writer, and I know I certainly had my own shortforms for many common words, phrases, commonly-used place names and legal terms.  So I agree with Gingernut that we would need clues to start us off. 

I would be interested to hear from the OP as to the context of this piece, such as where it was found and in what circumstances as that sort of info might give us clues.  For example, if it was stuffed into an ancient ledger we might reasonably speculate that it related to business, but if it was found in a soldier's wallet this would suggest something closer to the heart.

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