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Hi Margaret

First, I'm no expert in history  ;D other than blundering away by trial & error finding my own family history or helping other people finding their F H - leaning as we go - visiting, archives, graveyards and the like.

(I do know the areas you are researching ! as I travel them by car or bus with my free bus pass in my retirement and I've been doing my early Xmas present shopping in the good weather of late.

 We have a bus service from Holmfirth to Penistone then it goes onto Chapeltown near Sheffield & Rotherham, that I use a lot, then I bus it from Penistone to Barnsley through Silkstone common and Silkstone village, returning home, I travel to Wakefield by bus for Barnsley, then a bus to Huddersfield that passes by the Star inn in Netherton. I also buy petrol in Dewsbury (1.20 a litre cheapest in West Yorkshire) and pass through Thornhill en-route to Wakefield by car.)

To travel to Thornhill parish from Silkstone parish at the shortest points would have crossed over 3 other parishes being either Emley or Sandal Magna parishes and then High Hoyland Parish and Cawthorne Parish over hills and farms seems doubtful on terrain alone besides the different church authorities rules & regs   . (See snippet parish map image)

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A positive firm - That's where it was! is impossible to say as a fact.

But! 99% chance Pitts Royd is Glen Royd Netherton near the Star Inn



After talking to locals at "Horbury bridge, from what is the only info about an entry in an 18th century parish register of Thornhill, abode Pitts Royd, Netherton

Priest Royd is possible but its not in Netherton

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In Google map search box - enter just  -  Glen Royd WF4 4HR

 
What is coming up. SOUTH LANE NETHERTON WAKEFIELD

Planning Application at Glen Royd Netherton

http://www.wakefield.gov.uk/localplansitespecificplans/53-consultation-draft-2010-green-belt-review.pdf

See (near  bottom of list in link) W 142 housing planning application (numbers don't follow in order )

Says:- To retain green belt allocation



All I can only deduce/conclude from scant info and location at (Star Inn) South lane, Netherton

Pitts Royd was strongly possible from scant vague info and common sence basic logic, a secluded valley that Pitts beck ran/runs down at the back of the Star Inn Netherton

Glen Royd, South Lane, Netherton, Wakefield  WF4 4HR

https://www.zoopla.co.uk/property/glen-royd/south-lane/netherton/wakefield/wf4-4hr/25635085


So!! What is in Netherton is South Lane WF4 4HR


A Glen is a valley or

Dictionary says:

Glen  A NOUN

1.

a small, narrow, secluded valley.

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Pitts beck ( a small stream by South Lane, Netherton)

Pitts beck wood  South lane Netherton.

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Best I can do! I'm afraid to say! as no positivity of exact location to say beyond doubt .::)

 :)


Glen Royd, South Lane, Netherton, Wakefield WF4 4HR

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Netherton,+Wakefield+WF4+4HR/@53.6440431,-1.5763462,577m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x48796163bde8c11b:0x5c7dc0bb6931a68f!8m2!3d53.6438236!4d-1.5774668


https://www.google.com/maps/@53.6437487,-1.5778931,3a,75y,340.73h,87.45t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1suHySH5oX7zPUfLJ1n7qTaQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

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-Mark-

I've ( Joseph - bit more readable) darkened - enhanced your 1776 Wistow marriage image .
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Only thing that is a bit confusing is:  Mary Shippen married Joseph Tate 1776 - so WHY was she put down in  the land tax 1781 5 years later (after she married Joseph Tate) in her maiden name as M Shippen and NOT - M Tate (Mrs)  ???

Unless M Shippen 1781 land tax was a relative of Mary Shippen = Mrs Tate by 1781 - (like:- Example Michael Shippen or Martha Shippen)

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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Re: Royd Pitts, nr Netherton or Thornhill, Yorkshire
« on: Saturday 13 October 18 00:49 BST (UK)  »
Hi Both
Thanks for your kind input again, Dobfarm. I have located the place name on the link you sent.  Strangely enough I joined a golf club today which is located within 1/2 mile from Priest Royd, but the only way to recce the area is by foot. I didn't have my outdoor gear on so may investigate at a later date.
I have just looked up the meaning of Royd and is a cleared area within a forest, close to a village, with Norse/Old English origins. Looking at the Pitts Beck siting, its much closer to Netherton village than Priest Royd. I will get my boots on and recce this as well, plus may visit the pub in the village!!

Margaret,
My brother, who instigated the research, is sceptical as to the connection with William and Elizabeth. He says he needs to find evidence of the abode of their sons wife, Margaret, otherwise he will keep placing a '?' in the family tree!

Pitts beck valley is close to the village of Netherton and no doubt would have more wooded areas in the 1770's with clearings could have been called Royd in Pitts beck valley  ???

Also fits the header of thread name -exactly on location

Royd Pitts, nr Netherton or Thornhill, Yorkshire
                                V                      V
                           Pitts beck   or   Priest Royd

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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Re: Royd Pitts, nr Netherton or Thornhill, Yorkshire
« on: Saturday 13 October 18 00:33 BST (UK)  »
As another alternative to locations named Royd near Thornhill.

Pitts Royd starts 'Pitts' - so is 'Pitts beck' the location area of Pitts Royd based on logic.  ???
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In Netherton is Pitts beck, the beck source starts at South lane, Star Inn. Netherton

Just along South lane from the Star Inn to top of Green lane are some farm buildings (on link map        B.M.354 . 47 ) not named at the top of Pitts Beck

https://maps.nls.uk/view/100948325

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sugarfizzle - Margaret

Maybe if you write a letter to the landlord or pub manager of the 'Star Inn' in Netherton for him/her to ask the local pup drinkers if they have ever heard of Pitts Royd (Just a thought for the price of 2 stamps with a stamped address envelope for a reply to your letter you send   ???  :)

Happy to write a letter, but it looks like Michael lives nearby and could perhaps ask at the pub.

But I'm not sure why either of us would look elsewhere.  You said that - "Priest Royd is local pronounced like Pitts Royd local slang", so I thought we had found the place!

I'm getting confused, the brain cells aren't what they used to be.

Regards Margaret

Hi Margaret,

The lack of any buildings at Priests Royd is one concern! on old maps and the fact the beck in Netherton is called 'Pitts beck' which stands to reason the stream must run down a valley, clough or a dale that may have Pitts in the name of the place or farm to investigate local peoples knowledge.

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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Re: Royd Pitts, nr Netherton or Thornhill, Yorkshire
« on: Friday 12 October 18 08:54 BST (UK)  »
As another alternative to locations named Royd near Thornhill.

Pitts Royd starts 'Pitts' - so is 'Pitts beck' the location area of Pitts Royd based on logic.  ???
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In Netherton is Pitts beck, the beck source starts at South lane, Star Inn. Netherton

Just along South lane from the Star Inn to top of Green lane are some farm buildings (on link map        B.M.354 . 47 ) not named at the top of Pitts Beck

https://maps.nls.uk/view/100948325

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sugarfizzle - Margaret

Maybe if you write a letter to the landlord or pub manager of the 'Star Inn' in Netherton for him/her to ask the local pup drinkers if they have ever heard of Pitts Royd (Just a thought for the price of 2 stamps with a stamped address envelope for a reply to your letter you send   ???  :)

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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Re: Royd Pitts, nr Netherton or Thornhill, Yorkshire
« on: Friday 12 October 18 00:40 BST (UK)  »
as map image

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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Re: Royd Pitts, nr Netherton or Thornhill, Yorkshire
« on: Thursday 11 October 18 05:05 BST (UK)  »
Priest Royd is local  pronounced like Pitts Royd local slang as 'How Royd beck' runs down Stony Royd Pitt (at Thornhill Edge chapel) to 'Smithy Brook'

 Anyway all the Royd's are around 'How Royd beck' (Starts at Lower Whitley then runs towards and joins Smithy brook towards Netherton below Thornhill village on the hill above. The hamlet (Village) called Smithy Brook is on the connecting lane from Thornhill village at as Frank Lane to Netherton village.

"How Royd Beck' starts at Lower Whitey at How Royd lane

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Thanks for your reply

George could have been Anglican baptized as an adult (re-baptized) to support his deep establishment involvement in Selby parish abbey/town affairs

The question that arise are:

Qu-1) Was George a fully fledged baptized Anglican of another parish who married Sarah Russel of Selby Anglican parish.

(If George was involved in Abbey/church/parish affairs in the Selby parish chest records (being an estabished trade businessman in Selby parish seems likely) - this would indicate this but if not ? then it would indicated Qu - 2 as below ?)

Qu-2) Was George from parents of nonconformist faith (Parent beliefs ) who was baptized (George did not follow his parents belief as he grew up  ? ) in nonconformity in that religion but not practising it, who married Sarah Russel of an Anglican faith who followed her wishes as to the their children's religious  teaching and baptisms - Yet! very unusual for children not to follow their father religious faith of his church teaching them years in history.



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