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Europe / Re: Austria
« on: Friday 31 January 20 10:52 GMT (UK)  »
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Europe / Re: Krassnitzer family in Klagenfurt, Austria
« on: Friday 31 January 20 10:25 GMT (UK)  »
No, "Gurk" belongs to the "the name" of the Diocese, after the former place Gurk where it was located:
Archiv der Diözese Gurk/ Archive of the Diocese Gurk
Mariannengasse 12
9020 Klagenfurt
https://www.kath-kirche-kaernten.at/dioezese/organisation/C2524/
It has nothing to do with the 3 findings.
It shows the former place Gurk, but now the Episcopal Residence and Diocesan Archive is located in Klagenfurt, the capital of Carinthia. ;)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gurk,_Carinthia

If you would have more details for Stefanie (shortened Steffi) Krassnitzer, birth year and place you could search for her in the online files. It´ not said, also if she married in Klagenfurt and maybe also lived there, that she also was born there! She could also have been from a complete other Austrian area.
http://data.matricula-online.eu/de/oesterreich/gurk/

Yes, the British were stationed in Carinthia. It was within their Zone.
They were in East Tyrol (Osttirol), Carinthia (Kärnten) and Styria (Steiermark).
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Besetztes_Nachkriegsoesterreich
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied-occupied_Austria

So, on the end of the day - we would need little bit more details.  ::) :) 8)
As how to see, Krassnitzer is not just an uncommon name.
Actual phonebook Austria has 247 results in this states, how to see most in Carinthia.
Bundesland/ states;
Kärnten (187)
Wien (16)
Steiermark (12)
Tirol (12)
Vorarlberg (7)
Salzburg (6)
Oberösterreich (5)
Niederösterreich (2)
https://www.herold.at/telefonbuch/was_krassnitzer/

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Europe / Re: Austria lookup 1890's
« on: Friday 31 January 20 09:23 GMT (UK)  »
You must search in Ukraine not in present days Austria, which has nothing to do with that area NOW. The files still in the Ukrainian area and not at former rulers which not longer exist (Empire).
Search also at Galicia Genealogy Boards via google.
Sometimes also special Links for special areas.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galicia_(Eastern_Europe)
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galizien
https://www.geshergalicia.org/galician-town-locator/

People for professional Ukraine Genealogy:
http://www.ukrgenealogy.com

What do you mean with Bostu district? Never heard for the former Austro-Hungarian Crownland Galizien und Lodomerien (Galicia). Look if you can find it here, to clear that up (Bezirk = district): https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verwaltungsgliederung_Galiziens
Judicial districts: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_der_Gerichtsbezirke_in_Galizien_und_Lodomerien

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Europe / Re: Austrian Divorce/Annulment.
« on: Friday 20 December 19 13:47 GMT (UK)  »
Kaminsky Franz, page 225, Hernals 1915.
Index: http://data.matricula-online.eu/de/oesterreich/wien/17-hernals/A-44/?pg=10
Entry: http://data.matricula-online.eu/de/oesterreich/wien/17-hernals/01-112/?pg=90

Boah, Bingo checked now. When two books for a year the 1st is for the 1st half year and the 2nd for the 2nd half year.  ;D And you must look for the page number IN the church book.

Karl could not find in 1912 index Hernals. Look also through the list please:
http://data.matricula-online.eu/de/oesterreich/wien/17-hernals/A-41/?pg=12

No Kaminsky birth and death in 1917 Hernals:
http://data.matricula-online.eu/de/oesterreich/wien/17-hernals/01-114/?pg=184
http://data.matricula-online.eu/de/oesterreich/wien/17-hernals/03-64/?pg=274

Also not in 1922: http://data.matricula-online.eu/de/oesterreich/wien/17-hernals/03-69/?pg=165

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Europe / Re: Austrian Divorce/Annulment.
« on: Friday 20 December 19 13:23 GMT (UK)  »
Example birth Josef Kaminsky.
In this parish most books for only one year. The index to look through names A-Z always on end of right side pages -> index.....for Josef it says his entry is in same book page 152 (page in BOOK not right side list).
Index: http://data.matricula-online.eu/de/oesterreich/wien/17-hernals/01-116/?pg=245
Entry: http://data.matricula-online.eu/de/oesterreich/wien/17-hernals/01-116/?pg=155
But Hernals has the birth index also here extra by years: http://data.matricula-online.eu/de/oesterreich/wien/17-hernals/?page=7#register-header

For his brother you have to search at year 1912:
Hernals books list: http://data.matricula-online.eu/de/oesterreich/wien/17-hernals/?page=3#register-header
There are two 1912 books (no idea why), both have no index (again no idea why).
http://data.matricula-online.eu/de/oesterreich/wien/17-hernals/01-105/?pg=1
http://data.matricula-online.eu/de/oesterreich/wien/17-hernals/01-106/?pg=1
As you know his birthdate you can search in the book by date, a little tedious. I remember that I looked for him and could not find. So you may look also again at this Hernals.....it is more difficult as they wrote (listed) after baptism date, so some birth dates are later or earlier. :(

Maybe overlooked or the other children born another place? Marriage happened in Lichtenthal, so possible also baptisms there. I do just not remember if I made also look up at the births for Lichtenthal. Index books for Taufen/ baptisms end 1901. :( So also to search via birth date in books directly.
1912: http://data.matricula-online.eu/de/oesterreich/wien/09-lichtental/01-59/?pg=1
1915: http://data.matricula-online.eu/de/oesterreich/wien/09-lichtental/01-62/?pg=1

Hope you can find Karl and Franz, maybe also Adele in Lichtenthal or Hernals.

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Europe / Re: Austrian Divorce/Annulment.
« on: Wednesday 18 December 19 09:34 GMT (UK)  »
Joh. Loetz widow (glassworks)
important glassworks in Klostermühle / Klástersky Mlýn
"Joh. Loetz Witwe, also written by Joh. Lötz Witwe, was an important art glass manufacturer in Klostermühle, Bohemia. Loetz's works are among the most outstanding examples of Art Nouveau.
In the Wottawattal of the Bohemian Forest was one of the oldest glassworks, which was bought in 1850 by Johann Lötz, the founder of the company, former owner of the glass factories Deffernik, Hurkental, Annatal and Vogelsang. In 1879, Max Ritter von Spaun, a grandson of Joh. Lötz, took over the factory from his grandmother Susanne Lötz and continued to run it under the old company "Joh. Lötz Witwe". (Wikipedia 09/04/2014)
Klostermühle / Klástersky Mlýn
https://sachsen.museum-digital.de/index.php?t=people&id=14381
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joh._Loetz_Witwe

http://www.ophirgallery.com/designers/loetz-witwe-company-1851-1947
https://www.galerie-albertina.at/kuenstler/13657/loetz-witwe-klostermuehle-johann/
https://www.kunsthammer.at/shop/catalog/loetz/product/all/list/
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/822540319418121377/
http://worldcat.org/identities/lccn-n86060057/

https://www.loetz.com/history
http://www.biographien.ac.at/oebl/oebl_S/Spaun_Max_1856_1909.xml

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Europe / Re: Austrian Divorce/Annulment.
« on: Wednesday 18 December 19 09:23 GMT (UK)  »
Klášterský Mlýn (Klostermühle) in Czech Rep. belonges to Rejštejn (deutsch Unterreichenstein) close on the border to Bavaria.

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rejštejn (copy Link into Linkadress, it does not work)
Klostermühle is north east of Flattnitzhütte, Oberkreuzberg, Spiegelau about the BORDER (very close)!
Copy this into google maps, does also not work, assume because of the Czech letters: Klášterský Mlýn, 341 92 Rejštejn, Tschechien

:D  Ok and HERE the history to the LÖTZ family with their glass work in Bohemia. You may copy it into google translator. The first sentences: "The Bohemian glass industry has always been at the top of the world. Their products have won numerous awards and are in demand in many countries. Incidentally, the founder of the world-famous Swarowski company also came from Bohemia. At the turn of the 19th and 20th centuries, however, another Bohemian glass factory conquered the world market: the Lötz company from the Bohemian Forest. Although the company went under after the Second World War, its products are still valued by experts." https://www.radio.cz/de/rubrik/panorama/edles-glas-aus-dem-boehmerwald-die-geschichte-der-firma-loetz

I´m not sure about the realtionship of all within the Lötz glassmaker family....Mathilde´s parents were Johann Lötz and Crescent(ia) Krieger. I`m more then confused who-is-who.  ??? :o

Johann Lötz, * 19.4.1778 Wassersuppen, district Taus (Böhmen), † 17.3.1844 Annathal district Schüttenhofen, Bohemia (now Czech rep.). (catholic) (possible grandfather of Mathilde born 1865?)

https://www.deutsche-biographie.de/sfz53846.html

It was once one of the most important glass factories of the former empire: the Johann Lötz Witwe company, founded in 1851 in Klostermühle in the former Bohemia.
What a strange name!
It comes from Johann Lötz, a famous glassmaker in the region who bought the oldest glassworks in Wottawattal in Bohemia in 1850, but the actual operators were his wife and widow Susanne Lötz and his grandson Max von Spaun.
https://imkinsky.com/?cpt-article=loetz-1900

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Europe / Re: Austrian Divorce/Annulment.
« on: Wednesday 18 December 19 09:08 GMT (UK)  »
Here the birth under No 72 (left side more on end of page) for Mathilde Lötz in 1865 at Flatnitzhütte, Oberkreuzberg, Bavaria, Germany.
It shows that the family was involved into glass manufacture, so no wonder that Adele was responsible to authority in Bohemia, so her glass factory family must have lived there a while, like many Bavarians did. They brought many glass work to Bohemia.
Her father was Glasfabrikant/ glassproducer (factory owner); hard to read all, but godmother (her name is not really readable for me) had also a glass factory (Glasfabrikantin) and was from Klostermühle, Bohemia.
http://data.matricula-online.eu/de/deutschland/passau/oberkreuzberg/005/?pg=60

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Europe / Re: Austrian Divorce/Annulment.
« on: Friday 13 December 19 11:30 GMT (UK)  »
Birth of Adele Lötz March 13, 1895, Parish church Lichtenthal, Vienna 9th district
died Aug 23, 1941, Standesamt Hernals, No 375/41
Mother: Mathilda Helena Lötz, handworker, cath., born Flanitzhütte, parish Oberkreuzberg, legitimate daughter of Johan Lötz and Crescentia Krieger
http://data.matricula-online.eu/de/oesterreich/wien/09-lichtental/01-44/?pg=44

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lichtentaler_Pfarrkirche

Flanitzhütte belonges like Oberkreuzberg to Spiegelau, Bavaria, Germany:
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiegelau#Gemeindegliederung
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oberkreuzberg
https://www.bistum-passau.de/kirche/6155/pfarrkirche-oberkreuzberg
https://www.google.at/maps/place/Nordwald-Zendo/@48.9059742,12.8236245,10.98z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x5a663585c2c9ecc4!8m2!3d48.9567291!4d13.2996503

Church books online: http://data.matricula-online.eu/de/deutschland/passau/oberkreuzberg/

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