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Durham / Re: Missing McGee from Felling.
« on: Sunday 17 October 21 10:15 BST (UK)  »
Thanks Lorna for getting in touch. James (b.1825) also had a brother called Robert and one of his descendants in Australia (John McKee (( he won't mind me referring to him)) ) has done a huge amount of work on the McKee side.
Unfortunately the whereabouts of James McKee/Mary Jane Hamilton after 1881 is a mystery to me. Perhaps, as you research their children it will become clear which remained in Northern Ireland and perhaps provided a home for their parents in old age.

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The Common Room / Re: Could my Sellers/Eyres family from DERBYSHIRE have Jewish ancestry?
« on: Friday 15 June 18 09:41 BST (UK)  »
Thanks for the info. You're talking me into a trip to the area, which would always be worthwhile anyway as it's so lovely.
I rather blundered into the question of Jewish ancestry which - now I've read up on it - is a huge subject. In identifying Jewishness are we talking nationality, race, religion, observance, ethnicity, genetics? Like the Catholics of the C16 -C18th Jews would have striven often to hide, not advertise, their identities and so I wouldn't know where to start record-wise.
I have a Judith Franks (1685 - 1745) m. Kenneth Brammall (1670 - 1728) in King's Lynn. This was an important port at the time and access to immigration. Their daughter Alice married Thomas Fox from Bradwell, Derbyshire and so took the family to that location.
But I am making assumptions that names like 'Franks', 'Fox'' & etc are Jewish. Names that seem so may have become just that as Jewish people adapted their own names to fit.
My own Eyre connection is my 2 x Gt grandmother Nancy Hanson (nee Eyre) 1841 - 1888 who, with her husband Amarias Sellers left her native Manchester and sought work in Barnsley, then Murton and finally Gateshead where, at 47 her harsh life terminated with pneumonia and gangrene of the heart, a ghastly end.

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Derbyshire / Re: Jacob and Mary EYRE of Bradwell
« on: Thursday 14 June 18 18:53 BST (UK)  »
Thanks. I've researched the Eyres in Manchester. John Pownall ( Rachel's husband) is shown in 1861 as ''photographic artist'' which makes a change from all the cotton spinners! And yes, his mother-in-law made it to 92.
I think I might have jumped the gun with thinking there was something significant about the family first names. Presumably those Old Testament 'Jewish' sounding names were widely used throughout the community.

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The Common Room / Re: Could my Sellers/Eyres family from DERBYSHIRE have Jewish ancestry?
« on: Thursday 14 June 18 14:32 BST (UK)  »
Thank you for your reply.
Jacob was born at ''Woodlands'' (Hope Woodland, about 5 miles north of Hope) and he was baptised at St Peters, Hope. His baptism, banns, marriage are all recorded in the PRs. But I feel even if he were Jewish this would have been usual. Even Britain's first Jewish Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli was a Christian convert.
I just wondered if others had taken the same interest in these local first names as I. After all, when you can call your daughters Jane, Mary, Ann, Margaret, Eliza & etc, why call them Rachel and Rebecca? However, I do see from the registers that many others in the locality used these essentially Jewish names so perhaps it was just local practice.

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Derbyshire / Jacob and Mary EYRE of Bradwell
« on: Thursday 14 June 18 11:25 BST (UK)  »
I've posted in the Common Room but here may be more appropriate. Both my Sellers and Eyres ancestors moved from the Hope area into Manchester in the early 1800s.
I'm fascinated by the idea that the Eyres might have had some Jewish ancestry. This first occurred to me when I discovered that Jacob Eyre's (1780 - 1838) mother was Hannah Fox (1755 - 1812)
So many of the Eyres use the names Isaac, Jacob, Benjamin, Rachel, Rebecca, and Hannah that it set me wondering. Were these names just common to all at the time? Or an Old Testament fashion?
Further back I have traced a Judith Mabel Franks (x7 g/gmother)
But my main interest is the network of Eyres who lived in Hope, Woodland, Castleton and Tideswell. They were baptised, married and buried through the established church, but then I imagine they would have no alternative. Many remained in the dale but my particular branch of the family removed to Dukinfield.
Would appreciate any views.

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The Common Room / Could my Sellers/Eyres family from DERBYSHIRE have Jewish ancestry?
« on: Thursday 14 June 18 09:31 BST (UK)  »
My 2 x Gt-Grandmother was Charlotte Eyre (1808 -1888) who along with many others moved from Derbyshire to Manchester. I find that she had siblings called Isaac, Jacob, Benjamin, Hannah, and Rachel. I realise that during the C18-19th there was a fashion for Old Testament names ( especially amongst Nonconformists) but when I researched back further I find not only that these first names persist but that I have a 4 x Gt-grandmother called Hannah Fox, and a 7x called Judith Mabel Franks.
There are many Eyres living in Hope, Bradwell, Castleton who seem to share these first names so am I reading too much into? I know scarcely anything about the history of the Jewish people in England between 1300 - 1900. Presumably they had to some extent to fit in and adopt Christian baptism, marriage and burial.
I have an eclectic genealogy, being Irish, Scottish and Northumbrian, but I should be delighted to think that I had a Jewish element too.

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Cheshire Lookup Requests / Re: Amorias (sic) Sellars, baptism at Christ Church, Denton
« on: Friday 11 February 11 08:20 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks Eric for your reply. Despite my gt' grandfather's unusual name I have managed to locate him on all available censuses 1841-1911 though his name was never given correctly on one. I have checked out the church. I must attempt a visit to that part of the world sometime, though I'm assured that Dukinfield is very much altered from the mid C19th!
Dave

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Cheshire Lookup Requests / Re: Amorias (sic) Sellars, baptism at Christ Church, Denton
« on: Monday 07 February 11 08:44 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks for this, I'm much obliged, and the Lancashire references are useful.
DM

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Cheshire Lookup Requests / Amorias (sic) Sellars, baptism at Christ Church, Denton
« on: Sunday 06 February 11 18:31 GMT (UK)  »
I hope my geography is correct and that Denton, Manchester was regarded as Cheshire in 1840! Please, could someone who has access to Christ Church's baptisms check my ancestor's - Amorias Sellars - baptism on Feb 2nd 1840 ( parents Wm/Alice) and let me know who the clergyman was officiating. I'm trying to discover how my great grandfather came to have the name Amarias. The boy was not named at the time of his civil registration in Nov 1839 so I'm wondering if the priest had a hand in choosing the name, and why IGI logs the child as female!

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